dear mn hq why are so many disablist threads being left up

[Samcro]

one today for instance and mn hq post
"We don't think that this thread is disablist, it is a valid discussion that we don't think should be shut down. "

yet it has obviously been reported.
cause hurt and upset
how is that making life easier(or better) for the sn community`?

or this message from mn hq
That CBeebies is just far too PC
Thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: Thanks so much for all the reports about this.

Although there has been some interesting debate and discussion, we do agree that the OP and some of what ensues is disablist, so we have decided to delete.

how can these be interesting debates??
\not long ago mn hq said that they were going to be quicker dealing with this stuff
what happened??

It's like (was the comparison here or on the deleted thread) "haha, I'm so OCD" could mean either "lol, look at me washing my hands after handling raw meat" or could mean "I actually have OCD but am making light of it as it is none of your business, and if I say it, it prevents you from thinking it"

and adding a negative value judgement to your opinion of me

I also see the OCD one on here a lot. I used to live with a man with OCD. There were many days he could not leave the house due to rituals. It made me realise how different it is to the stereotype.

Looking at it like that, I think I understand better.

Glad to hear it isn't a slur, I honestly wasn't sure. Thank you.

Very - he is disabled, but he doesn't have to declare it if he doesn't want to, but I suppose in the future should he need to for any reason, the option is there for him.

I'm autistic, until eight years ago I was "fine" I was in control of every aspect of my life.
Now, having been through family health scares, bereavement, ds's assessment and diagnosis and other lovely life stuff, my control mechanisms have crumbled and I'm really quite limited.
Shit happens, needs levels change.

Many people with disabilities don't want to change them, which is great. Wonderful for them.

I would love to be a fly on the wall for when someone tries to explain to your ExH, his Gf and scientist friends that they are all disabled

I have a disability and am happy with who and how I am. Some people with my condition choose to not consider themselves disabled - mainly because society's view of disability is no negative it is seen as a terrible thing that no-one would ever want.
However, it is pretty inescapable that the VAST majority of people who meet the criteria for a diagnosis, ARE disabled, whatever they choose to describe themselves as.

What most people mean when they insist that they are not disabled, despite their diagnosis, is that they are both able and unwilling to allow their disability to hold them back from what they want to do.

It cannot be acceptable to tell someone else that they are not disabled when they are diagnosed and they meet the definition of disability.
ASD is recognised as a disability - There may be some people with ASD who do not meet the definition of disability, but that's not for someone else to decide.

Ego, we're not talking about gender, we're talking about disability.
Unless you think transgenderism is a disability?

Need. It comes back to the value judgement. Declaring a disability is viewed as a negative thing, so they say they aren't disabled.

should he have to declare it?
He shouldn't HAVE to declare it, it is always his choice. However, it does provide legal protection so I would encourage him to share it. It would entitle him to reasonable adjustments he needs in order to give him equal opportunity to everyone else.

I've been hearing impaired since birth, with it degenerating to an extent that I'm practically deaf without hearing aids in the past few years. I only considered myself 'disabled' last year when my RA forced me into a wheelchair despite already also having EDS and fibromyalgia.

Please do start a thread about -ists in general. I"ll be more than supportive. But this thread is about disablist posts
Yy this ^^ because this thread was raised to discuss moderation of disablist posts and threads. It is important that isn't lost, especially when so many posters are noticing that moderation policy in this area seems to have changed.

Bishop The point is, no-one else ever had the right to tell you that you were or weren't disabled before. You might have met the criteria, you might not, I don't know, but it's a combination of medical opinion and your own experience that decides that. If you didn't feel that you were, that's up to you.
And your experience doesn't give you the right to tell someone else with the same condition that they aren't disabled.

This whole issue isn't about telling people that they are disabled when they don't think they are, it's about telling people that they aren't disabled when their medical records and experiences say that they are.

Definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010

You’re disabled under the Equality Act 2010 if you have a physical or mental impairment that has a ‘substantial’ and ‘long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities.

‘substantial’ is more than minor or trivial, eg it takes much longer than it usually would to complete a daily task like getting dressed
‘long-term’ means 12 months or more, eg a breathing condition that develops as a result of a lung infection

www.gov.uk/definition-of-disability-under-equality-act-2010

I definitely met criteria and have done for many years. Whether or not I could accept that is another matter. But I get the point.

"it's about telling people that they aren't disabled when their medical records and experiences say that they are"

That is clearly wrong.

One of the points raised on this thread is that ASD is always a disability, though. What I have been trying to say is that is not always true.

Oh, and people do still try and tell me I'm not disabled, particularly family members who have known me all my life. I'm lazy and unmotivated instead, apparently.

I completely agree that disablism is rampant here by the way, it has been for at least ten years. I've fought and fought and fought and had trolls tell me my 'lifestyle choices' suck and why should they support me... I've had Mnhq expecting me to 'educate'. I've had Mnhq patting my head. I've had Mnhq giving lip service to equality.

But nothing ever really changes. Mnhq still won't defend the right of disabled posters and their families to post here free from attack, criticism or wilful ignorance and trolling.

Beyond - Enjoy the Epigenetics book. I found it gripping.

And then, definitely go for The Strangest Man. I think you would also enjoy Measuring The World.

Lazy and unmotivated? Ha! Me too

"MNHQ still won't defend the right of disabled posters and their families to post here free from attack, criticism or wilful ignorance and trolling."

See what bothered me much much more on that thread, was that MNHQ actually joined in, it should be them posting to say, autism is regarded in the same way as other disabilities - even if it is just lip service and nothing is actually done.

But no, it's not comparable with other disabilities so therefore it's fair game to dispute whether a diagnosis is medical fact or a label

Cote I really don't understand what point you are trying to make.
ASD is a recognised disability.
There may be some people who have ASD but have found a way of living their life successfully enough to not consider themselves to be disabled. That is their prerogative.
It doesn't detract from the fact that ASD is a recognised disability.

It really isn't helpful when discussing matters about disablism, to focus on a very small minority of people who fit the criteria for a diagnosis but choose not to consider themselves disabled.

i started this thread after being horrified by mn hq response one a disablist thread. i didn't start it thinking about other "isms"
I have seen so many disablist threads allowed to stand....wheelchair on buses is always a good example.
I do ho this thread doesn't get hijacked.
I think it is important that mn hq listen and deal with the disabism , especially as they have a thread about a disability campaign going.