dear mn hq why are so many disablist threads being left up

[Samcro]

one today for instance and mn hq post
"We don't think that this thread is disablist, it is a valid discussion that we don't think should be shut down. "

yet it has obviously been reported.
cause hurt and upset
how is that making life easier(or better) for the sn community`?

or this message from mn hq
That CBeebies is just far too PC
Thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: Thanks so much for all the reports about this.

Although there has been some interesting debate and discussion, we do agree that the OP and some of what ensues is disablist, so we have decided to delete.

how can these be interesting debates??
\not long ago mn hq said that they were going to be quicker dealing with this stuff
what happened??

thats it I give up. I just wanted to ask mn hq a serious question.
I didn't get the "Jokes" I am very busy at the moment with rl, being a care 24/7 to an adult.
I can't be arsed with this shite.
mn hq most likely will delete the thread. i don't care anymore.

It is extremely unusual for something in Site Stuff to attract so many posts. The reason it has is because of the level of ignorance around disability and the unwillingness of MMHQ to lead a charge on trying to educate.

I was watching a Michael Parkinson interview with Helen Mirren from the 70s and he said the most outrageously misogynist and sexist things that just looked so aged nowadays. That is what these threads will look like in the future and MN will look like a stayed Michael Parkinson.

Yes Ego I imagine having your personal being torn to shreds must very must sting and I have read some of your excellent contributions to other threads. Point very much taken.

I'm sending off my letter of complaint today Samco So even if they don't read this thread a large chunk of the issues are in my letter.

Brilliant Jason

bump

I've inly just seen this. It's not in trending or active, so had to look for it.
I think there's a state of confusion at MNHQ about disablist posts.
They delete what they think is disablist, not what posters who have a disability think is disablist.
I've had my posts deleted for robustly defending an attack on people who have disabilities because of "bun fighting".
Quite often it is other posters who don't have a disability who insist they are right and the experience of the poster with a disability is wrong.
There's no understanding of the impact of disability in everything. It's not just directly linked to the actual impairment, it's the many many unthought of complications and adaptations to every day tasks that wear an individual down.
A disability isn't fixable or curable.

And as an example, a comment by Silver in the last page about working in special ed is exhausting. I'm absolutely sure it is. I know outstanding work is done.

Having a disability is exhausting. And it is not a choice. You don't get to go home from it or switch off.

I think that distinction is often forgotten by people insisting something isn't disablist and we are being over sensitive.

Well said candy.

Excellent posts Candy

Quite often it is other posters who don't have a disability who insist they are right and the experience of the poster with a disability is wrong.
That's because they all have a brother, daughter, uncle, friend, neighbour etc or work with someone who has that disability, so therefore they are experts.

They just don't seem able to recognise that having a disability is nothing like knowing someone or working with someone who has that disability.

I am just wondering if this has moved any further along from MNHQ or has Ego's unfortunate prediction come through on what is apparently MN's favourite topic.

Samcro any answers to you question yet? I am concerned this thread will die before we find out if MNHQ have had a chance to look at their policy on disablist threads.

I havnt posted for a few. Days and. As far as i am aware, there has been no real answer,
Im not sure there will be.
I am a bit puzzled that reading some posts on here, it reads as if unless, you are disabled your self, you should not say something is disablist.
I might have the wrong end of the stick there.
I have been a carer for 21 years, i am the voice of a severely disabled person, who has no voice,
So not sure why its assumed that people like me know nothing

I really hope that nobody thinks that Samcro

I doubt they do
It most likely me mis reading candys post

I think maybe the phrasing was just unfortunate? I'm sure she didn't mean family and especially carers.

I'm sure she meant those with a bit of experience shouldn't get to have the same...weight of opinion?...as someone living with a disability - and yes a full time carer (as opposed to someone working as a carer) is living with it too.

Hi sanctions. No I didn't mean it like that although it's possible to read it like that.
No it greats if people without a disability can identify that a list is disablist. And I agree that carers of people who have a disability whether that's a parent, spouse or whatever obviously have an excellent understanding.
My statement was more that on here, in debates, I have had experienced where a non disabled person will insist something Isn't disablist and my views are wrong.
I don't have a problem with being wrong generally but please don't tell me academically I am mistaken.
I live disability. I'm not mistaken.

*samcro not sanctions.

And to add, samcro, I enjoy reading your views and have respect for what you say and the fact you fight so strongly against disablist issues.

Samcro I do think that disabled people have a level of understanding that relatives and carers do not, but I would never suggest that other people shouldn't say when something is disablist. Far from it - I want to see more people, even with no connection to disability, recognising and speaking up when something is disablist.

What I find irritating is when friends/relatives/carers etc insist that something isn't disablist and they know their friend/relative/charge wouldn't mind.

I agree Dixie and it's not just jokes, it's everything. There's a pip thread at the moment where I have been a bit rude about one poster because they've said to that OP that pip was for only people who really really need it, like the physically disabled...
Unbelievable ignorance yet it's ok to post it. I've told that poster to fuck off. It is offensive because it is an ignorant poster assessing who is and who isn't disabled enough.
No one is allowed to say if someone us gay enough, or black enough or Christian enough. But ignorant posters are allowed to say a poster with a disability isn't disabled enough to really need assistance. That's disablism right there. It's still there though. Not deleted.

They really don't.

Ignorance is everywhere. Walking in the park today with my guide dog, wearing dark glasses (me not the dog ) and a sunhat at to further shield glare and a lady says to me "are you training him?"'
I get asked this everyday.
No, I reply, she's mine (dogs are always he to other people)
Oh you're blind! she says.

Dog and glasses didn't give it away?