Trans people being allowed to compete against women in the Olympics

[OhShutUpThomas]

The Olympics are now allowing men who have taken hormones for 12 months compete against women.

It is NOT transphobic to say that this is grossly unfair and a huge violation of women's rights.

Women who have trained all their lives cannot be expected to compete against people with male bodies and who will be allowed roughly 4 times the normal female testosterone levels.

It's not on. We can't stand for it.

Please get behind this mumsnet. Someone needs to take a stand.

It's NOT transphobic to state that this is unfair. It really isn't.

MangosteenSoda,
Everybody seems to be terrified of being 'labelled'.

It's a very good way of silencing Women and taking away any power they may have -
Accuse them of being trans phobic. That'll soon shut em all up

Softdrifted, as I said earlier, the MW Show usually pilfers stories from here, but even they are too shit scared to run with this story.

If enough women got together and complained, (and didn't back down) people wouldn't be able to accuse us all of being bloody transphobic.

We would then have a collective Voice.

There IS a consensus on this particular issue, MNHQ, and it is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

In fact yes, you are gas lighting us.

Where is Justine? Can this thread be tweeted to her or otherwise brought to her attention?

Good idea RE Justine.
I'm not on Twitter though.

Hello -Justine

But conversely, most of the Transphobes I've met are men.

The whole thing is so worrying and perplexing.

I agree this latest development is most worrying. It's a huge, international organisation that's respected by the general public, erasing female identities. Horrifying

MN as far as I can see there is a clear majority on both the threads that are currently running with this subject. I have not posted on this thread previously but have on the other one.
I too am absolutely furious to think that anyone would think it right that sports women who have trained for years, should then have to compete with someone who is male.

I agree it sets a trans individual at an unfair advantage.

This is also happening in the ufc. I can't see how it can be justified

It can't be justified.

What's UFC?

Think it's Ultimate Fighting Championship, oneowlgirl. MMA.

Thanks - I did read the stuff about Fallon Fox but couldn't bring myself to watch it, so hadn't twigged it was connected.

Mixed feelings?! Wtaf MNHQ!

Perhaps we could attempt a proper count-up of support v dissent?

I've started a poll thread in Chat;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2557132-Please-could-we-have-a-quick-poll-about-the-Olympic-committees-trans?watched=1

Very disappointing response from HQ. If a group founded by women and (basically) for women cannot back its members then what hope it there?

Born women are being othered. Thanks HQ.

I've just posted on the Poll thread in chat, which I saw before this.

You do not make it explicit in the opening post that the question you intend is. I assume you mean:

"I want MN to campaign on this" (protest)

"I do not want MN to campaign about this" (support)

"I have no opinion either way" (abstain)

I don't think the language chosen is neutral enough, or well explained enough, for the poll to have any value.

I do not think this is a parenting issue and support MN's decision not to campaign directly about it.

Since when has mn been only about parenting issues stella?. There are many mn members who aren't parents.

I have voted protest but I mean so in general terms.

Part of me would like MN to campaign on this but we know how much they would suffer if they did so for the most part I agree with them not doing so and instead providing a safe(ish) space for us to be able to have free discussion.

Not only is there a pretty unanimous view on mumsnet, there is also a notable lack of trans people coming out to support this anywhere online.

It's lunacy. Even trans people are not arguing against the backlash - there IS no argument that can be made.

Oh dear, my drafting is failing me again. I'm sorry that I don't express myself adequately.

Yes, of course I've been here long enough to know that MN is about more than parenting, but it

But, mindful of the strap line 'by parents for parents' I think that active campaigning should be on parents issues.

The poll is meant to gauge how many posters would like to protest the issue NOT (necessarily) how many posters would like MNHQ to launch a campaign protesting the issue.

I wondered exactly how mixed views were and thought it would useful to know.

The FB group membership is well into three figures already. We don't (necessarily) need support from Mumsnet Towers.

This IS a parenting issue. My main concern here is how this will affect my daughter in the future.

Thanks f1deline.

That wasn't clear to me before (which I do realise is a reflection on me).

Again, the comparison with We Believe You is useful - that was no more obviously a parenting issue than this.