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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 21:42

The hackers took the mobile over, rendered it useless.

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 21:42

In what way?

TheHappinessTrap · 19/08/2015 21:42

I'm back and am once again able to post my opinions on the frequency of my laundry and personal hygiene habits. Stupid hacker.

nsld · 19/08/2015 21:43

Honeybadger

They where supposed to sort the non existent security in 2014 after the last time they got comprehensively reamed through appalling security practices.

I havent used this site since the last security warning in 2014 when it was all going to be fixed.

This isnt an amateur site run as a hobby its an industrial scale ad serving business with 7 million registered accounts so the fact the security is so laughable is borderline criminal.

And thats one of the key reasons its a target, piss poor security and lots of data to steal.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:43

i've just laughed actually out loud at that Akkorox.

what if mnhq had said look i think we're a bit shit at this security malarchy and hired a team to 'test' their site and give them a training exercise that they thought would be some nice little conference room in a hotel kind of day and in fact this was it? Grin

except of course they wouldn't have put my username, email and password on the internet

CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 21:44

lavender it is almost certainly written into the T&Cs from when you signed up.

To be honest, you should be expecting to give away your personal information in anything you use on the Internet. It would be difficult to afford to run anything for free without selling information.

The partners will be carefully chosen I'm sure.

GallivantingCat · 19/08/2015 21:44

Lavenderice www.mumsnet.com/info/privacy-policy or, and more sensible in the circumstances, Google Mumsnet permission for sharing data and access this link that way. Smile

Blistory · 19/08/2015 21:44

Don't you think some posters are being taken in a little too much by other posters on here ? Not everything you read online is true after all.

CockwombleJeff · 19/08/2015 21:45

HoneyBadger I said it earlier but I completely agree with you.

Mumsnet are privileged to hold such personal and sensitive information - some of which pertains to some really vulnerable people -if only for that reason this business has a duty of candour to all its members.

IMO it has failed in its responsibilities to its members.

It is a hugely profitable business there is no excuse.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 21:46

Someone on the tech thread said via the browser. Pop ups to a Man in a suit and virus warnings.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:49

can someone take screen shots of this thread? worried i'm going to go poof in a sudden silent banning.

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 21:50

The hackers took the mobile over, rendered it useless.
Seriously? How? What did they do?

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:50

I'll do it now.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 21:50

blistory is right. I'm actually a goat.

Fair point though, does anyone have the fake account names?

GallivantingCat · 19/08/2015 21:51

TheHoneyBadger you can take your own screenshots and email directly to MN on [email protected].

TiredButFine · 19/08/2015 21:52

Poor MNHQ this is a load of poo.
MNrs please lets remember that this appears to be a co-ordinated attack on our site and US. Chances are it's vindictive wankers who want to target women. It's bad enough that in most of the internet you get told to "leave if you don't like it". An influential mainstream site that's female orientated gets targeted, I despair I really do.

Lavenderice · 19/08/2015 21:52

So from how I understand that unless I gave specific consent I have not allowed my data to be shared. I'm not sure that list is real.

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 21:53

I'm going to bed. If i post overnight, it isnt me! (Though i may have a bought of insomnia at about 4am)

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:53

i don't know how to take a screen shot i'm afraid.

if that dump list is to be believed someone on the TECH team appears to have used their babies name and year of birth as a password.

FlatcapnWhippet · 19/08/2015 21:54

Don't know why Honey but you just made me think of this.

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read
Maryz · 19/08/2015 21:55

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 19/08/2015 21:55

Occasionally pages aren't loading properly for me (presumably due to the amount of stuff going on tonight?), and I get a just text version.

However, on this you can see my e-mail address. Should that be happening?

SewingAndCakes · 19/08/2015 21:55

Ok now I'm not able to receive any of my emails, have tested this and I can send one but not get a reply. Text messages are also disappearing.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:55

not sure if it will be mnhq or 8chan with mod powers who ban me though!

off to sleep too - it's later where i am. i so hope this is near an end.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 21:56

JeffreyNeedsAHobby I looked to see if Simon's mum was amongst his FB friends, but they seem to be mostly other young men. He does have a really cute cat though.