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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Pipbin · 19/08/2015 21:56

It would be difficult to afford to run anything for free without selling information

Exactly. If you aren't buying anything then you are the product being sold.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing but it is how MN make it free to the end user.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 19/08/2015 21:57

I have screen shotted, but obviously don't want to post it...

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 22:00

I have various screen shots, off 8chan and this thread in case anyone needs them, It's all very weird. Thanks For anyone worried or affected by the creeps.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 22:00

Okay I think people making statements about mobile phones being taken over etc is causing people to see things that aren't there if you catch my drift. The system is under immense pressure at the moment. Possibly more so than it's ever had so there will be actual glitches!

MotherOfFlagons · 19/08/2015 22:02

Huh. Imagine MN if chan were in charge:

'AIBU? My mum said I can't stay up and watch TV because I haven't done my homework! Snot fair!'

shopafrolic · 19/08/2015 22:02

Some of the email addresses on the 2nd list belong to people I have done business with so it seems legit.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 22:02

Hello everyone

Again: apologies this is ongoing. With regard to the latest data dump, this is a list of client emails. We believe that the hacker has used a password from the old hack to gain access to another system (external to Mumsnet) on which we store client information. There haven’t been any new breaches of our normal user data, and contrary to what they claim, we DON'T pass on our user data to commercial clients without express permission. We've now removed access to all services we use where we store additional data, bar a single point of access for each.

We also uncovered the posts on 8chan earlier today, and they're part of our investigations.

Could we ask, please, that MNetters stop attempting to log into the accounts of those on the lists? At the moment we believe that anyone who used those passwords for any service other than MN - including financial services - could have had those services accessed. We need to stress again that those on the list MUST change all passwords as a matter of urgency.

Thanks,
MNHQ

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 22:03

I honestly can't see how a random mobile phone could be/would be taken over by anything. That's near on impossible to do.

OutToGetYou · 19/08/2015 22:04

People looking at the fb page of this 'Simon' do realise it will be fake, don't they? He's not really a lovely 14 year old in a marching band trying to 'play with the big boys'.

Lavenderice · 19/08/2015 22:05

I just checked a couple of the people on that list. Whether or not these are mumsnet partners that's quite a valuable email list.

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 22:07

Can I check something? I was on the list (seriously, I feel like I'm a student clubbing all the time saying that so much today!) but the password released was just for mumsnet, so I haven't changed any of my other accounts with different logins.... Should I be changing ALL passwords for ALL sites? Your going to say yes aren't you....?

Arse, I'm in bed with ds beside me Confused

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 22:07

The phone was linked to the email address and the mn and email accounts had the same password.

shopafrolic · 19/08/2015 22:09

Twirlypoo if you use the same password on other accounts then yes - that would be best. It's taken me all day to change everything - I was on the 1st list too

shortbreadfingers · 19/08/2015 22:09

twirlypoo im afraid its a yes

Shutthatdoor · 19/08/2015 22:09

This is all got me a bit Confused

MaryBerrysEyelashes · 19/08/2015 22:10

tps://lazygirluk.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/is-it-just-me-thinking-mumsnet-brought-the-dadsec-attack-on-itself/

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 22:10

So it was an iPhone with ITunes and iCloud linked? She needs to get in touch with Apple tech, they'll sort it

Shutthatdoor · 19/08/2015 22:10

twirlypool Yes Flowers

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 22:11

howt that still doesn't mean they took over the whole phone?!

AbeSaidYes · 19/08/2015 22:11

I am actually amazed that anyone would use their mumsnet nickname as part of their registration for financial stuff, or am I being too simplistic?

My bank gave me a string of numbers and asks me for variable letters from a password which changes each time I log in. Isn't this standard?

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 22:11

Ah yes her, she hates MN, we have clashed over Bounty in the past

wannaBe · 19/08/2015 22:13

"twirlypoo* no, if you're not using the same password for other services you don't need to change them. The issue is with people who are e.g. identifyable via their email address and password and use that same combination for mn, fb, their email and their bank account.

Tbh mn isn't responsible for a hacker being able to access someone's bank account if they've used the same password for that as they have for mn. Mn is responsible if a hacker manages to obtain your mn details, but not your bank details - iyswim?

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 22:14

Twirlypoo (seriously, I feel like I'm a student clubbing all the time saying that so much today!)

That made me laugh. Grin

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 22:14

Arse. As I typed I thought I'm asking a bloody stupid question here! I now need to remember my other passwords in order to change them ????

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 22:15

I have two phones and know all the details to both. Even with all the software and apps I can find I can't access text messages or the actual phone software of my work phone from my laptop or personal phone.