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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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MimiLaBonq1 · 19/08/2015 21:30

Just beware of posters who have only been posting today

A lot of people have de-regged and re-regged under a different user name today. Myself included, and I have been here for ages. Far too long probably :o

Lavenderice · 19/08/2015 21:30

Did we agree to our data being shared when we registered? I can't remember.

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 21:30

If it has # in the url I believe it's because you've clicked on a photo to enlarge it. Nothing more sinister than that.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:31

ergo the accessing and leaking of my information might have been avoided if it had been dealt with back on july 14th when they became aware people were hacking here?

that's more than a little concerning. if i had of known i would have taken action to protect my data.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 21:31

Night March Flowers

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 21:32

Maryz probably not because troll hunting etc

Bet they're using all this de-regging to their advantage though

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:32

Maryz from what I've seen yes, you're right completely. It took me two seconds to Google and find the site and conversation (if you can call it that) with all the posts and threads they've started etc. It was started in July, it was clearly an issue since then.

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 21:32

This name if mine is only a few days old too Grin

Kate, i've reported my link post so it can be deleted Flowers

Quiero · 19/08/2015 21:33

Seriously, take the fucking site down until you fix this. I cannot believe how this is playing out.

LoveandMonsters · 19/08/2015 21:33

All the troll posts in the last month make sense now anyway - we weren't just imagining it, it really was getting worse.

Great detective work btw MNers.

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 21:34

Well, technically if some of the info is preheartbellend, data could be compromised from april...

CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 21:34

Pipbin Fab. I have just clicked 'next page' and it has gone back to normal. Thanks.

LoveandMonsters · 19/08/2015 21:35

I've changed my NN and PW today - but tbh, deregging and reregging under a new email may be the only option. Hacking Rebecca's account makes sense - more sense than phishing. They had admin rights, could post as her, edit posts.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 21:36

quiero taking the site down won't stop anything different happening and might cut off a life line for someone who really needs it

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 21:37

Maybe this is all a fake mumsnet users team building exercise Grin

Hassled · 19/08/2015 21:37

I'm just agog at all of this - I lead a sheltered little life. But as bad days at the office go, this has to be well up there for MNHQ - hope you're all as OK as you can be. Keep fighting the good fight.

Lavenderice · 19/08/2015 21:38

Anyone? Did we consent to our data being shared?

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 21:38

It was when they took over Rebecca's account they locked my friend out too, she has lost her account and thinks the hackers still have it. She has lost her email and mobile too to the hackers.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 19/08/2015 21:39

There are always troll posts...

However, I am growing more and more concerned at the seeming lack of joined up effort here.

Take the site down for a few days, get a proper tech team in to check out what's been done and what hasn't. Change the password requirement to a complex one, allow special characters etc. Reboot when you're sure things are as safe as they can be on the www.

If you don't, then I fear that MN's not long for the internet. Which would be a fucking travesty. I realise that some at MNHQ don't feel they owe the posters anything, but you really do, plus, if this site becomes less influential, you will lose advertising revenue.... so, from all sides, taking the site down for a couple of days would be the best thing to do.

NerrSnerr · 19/08/2015 21:39

There is so much speculation on here.

MNHQ will not tell us whether they know about discussions on 8chan or other forums as if they tell us they will be telling the hackers too. The police will also be involved because of the swatting and the hacking and publishing the data is a criminal offence so they cannot say too much.

We currently have no idea whether we can blame Mumsnet's security or not until we know exactly how the attacks have taken place. There might be a problem with the security but at the moment we don't know.

There is no proof that mumsnet share our data with the list of emails. They just look like links from companies- there is nothing to say they share our data (unless we sign up for a product test or something)

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 21:40

How did someone lose their mobile?

OutToGetYou · 19/08/2015 21:40

I actually agree they should take the site down for a few days - especially as they have said they are dealing with more DDOS attacks currently. The only way to kill the fun for idiot hackers is to remove the source and they'll move on somewhere else.

It doesn't sound like phishing from a fake page to me, especially as they have now posted a list of supplier emails, plus the first list has mn staffers on it (and apparently deceased people).

This was on the front page of Metro today btw. The 'swatting' was the main theme, the hacking played down.

JeffreyNeedsAHobby · 19/08/2015 21:41

I'm not clicking on any links on here for a long time. Seems to be their main way in - and I realise I did just post one (it was about men who bully women online now officially being inadequate men - science says so apparently, as if we needed proof!).
So shall we all agree not to click on anything to feed the trolls, or could MN do a blanket ban on clicky links until this is all clear? Is that even possible? Not to hard to C&P anything important if people want to share.

NerrSnerr · 19/08/2015 21:41

Lavender- I doubt they share our data with those companies (unless you sign up to a product test or something and then you'd consent to it). It's just a list of emails of companies mumsnet work or have worked with.