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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Spookier · 19/08/2015 16:52

So... I see people talking about an email to advise users to change passwords? I didn't get one, any idea why?

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:53

Minion
I think that's a slight misrepresentation of what we know so far. As distressing as it was, she wasn't threatened with violence - they sent a hoax call to police who turned up at her door. At present we don't know that they are purporting to represent fathers. They might just be wankers who want to cause upset.

I'm sorry that it's upset you though. I think F4J worded it like that so that they could include the last line about Mumsnet allowing users to call men rapists and paedophiles . It's a bit 'they deserved it', imo.

Joiny · 19/08/2015 16:54

Not everyone has teceived it yet.

EauPea · 19/08/2015 16:55

Is there any truth to Jeffrey's claim of an "inside job"

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read
FenellaFellorick · 19/08/2015 16:55

I realise you likely won't but wouldn't it perhaps be an idea to suspend new registrations for a day or two? All this publicity is going to bring all the dicks in - in fact it seems to have already started - and perhaps a small period of time when new people can't register might stop the otherwise inevitable influx of twats who are going to chuck their crap all over the site.

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 16:55

@Spookier

So... I see people talking about an email to advise users to change passwords? I didn't get one, any idea why?

Have you checked your spam folder Spookier?

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 16:57

In 2012, F4J criticised Mumsnet for allowing gender hatred and anti-father comments on their web site that called men rapists, paedophiles and wife beaters.

Hmmm. They can fuck off with that comment though.

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:57

Re the email - most software that sends out emails will send them out in batches. I think its because their servers couldn't send all at once. If they are emailing everyone who has ever signed up to Mumsnet then it will take a while to go out.

QueenOfTheShale · 19/08/2015 16:57

I under NessaRosehas4 changed my pw about a week before hand but I did not log in again. I was on the list 34 times!
That account has now been zapped. Thanks Beccamumsnet.

lovestea · 19/08/2015 16:58

I didn't get an email either. Checked Spam.

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 16:59

I realise you likely won't but wouldn't it perhaps be an idea to suspend new registrations for a day or two? All this publicity is going to bring all the dicks in - in fact it seems to have already started - and perhaps a small period of time when new people can't register might stop the otherwise inevitable influx of twats who are going to chuck their crap all over the site.

This^
I completely agree. There is possibly going to be an influx of idiots.

Skang · 19/08/2015 16:59

Sorry, in'm sure this may have been asked somewhere but I can't see it.

Is it only currently in use usernames or do I have to search the list for all my long forgotten old ones?

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 17:00

@EauPea

Is there any truth to Jeffrey's claim of an "inside job"

No, not as far as we are aware. He does seem to be doing his utmost to create huge distrust but we have no reason to believe there is any truth in this.

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 17:01

If I decided to set up an email just for MN, can I attach it to my current account?

akkakk · 19/08/2015 17:03

Skang you should probably search for all...

won't matter for Mn site as soon you will have to reset your password again as security is ramped up... but worth checking whether any passwords are known from old usernames in case you use them elsewhere - PM me if you want passwords, though I will only give indications if asking for non-current usernames...

wannaBe · 19/08/2015 17:03

The problem with stopping new registrations is that those users who have de-regged and want to come back under a new account won't be able to.

Pranmasghost · 19/08/2015 17:05

On my ipad the url is just given as mumsnet.com I hope this is ok.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 17:07

8ch.net/b/2.html

^^ Jeffrey is on that site gloating about fucking MN up.

It's a grubby site, I don't recommend visiting it. Are you aware of it MNHQ?

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 17:07

@Pipbin

If I decided to set up an email just for MN, can I attach it to my current account?

yes you can, go into My Account in the top right corner and edit your email.

Deeznutz · 19/08/2015 17:14

Rebecca MNHQ

Can I draw your attention to the ASHLEY MADISON thread on AIBU. New poster with an agenda as above- trying to create distrust. Very transparent.

Reads like someone gloating about what has happened as well.

Whatthefucknow · 19/08/2015 17:14

I have the list but how to check it bar scrolling thru?

theconstantvacuumer · 19/08/2015 17:16

What's going on? I'm on the app and was just forced to log in again (no password change required).

akkakk · 19/08/2015 17:25

whatthefucknow
no method other than scrolling through - I have posted a version in alphabetical order to help...

you are not on it

SewingAndCakes · 19/08/2015 17:27

I couldn't access MN for the last 10 minutes (server not responding). Hope everything's ok there.

RealHuman · 19/08/2015 17:28

Site's slow again.