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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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1122christy · 19/08/2015 17:28

Hi
I am one of the people on the list. I received an email from mumsnet today.
But I appear to be on the list twice? Same name. I didn't see the list the hacker posted instead it was a mumsnet person who posted them up. And I'm on twice, but I'm sure I don't have 2 accounts? So why would that be?
The past week or so I have been asked to sign in to mumsnet several times...which is how I'm assuming the hacker got my info.
I have today changed my password on mumsnet, and all other sites I'm connected to with this email address. Is this all I have to do? I don't think I have any personal info on my account and I'm not popular enough to have any pms from anyone lol or me pm anyone.

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 19/08/2015 17:28

When is the forces password change thing going to hppen

tribpot · 19/08/2015 17:29

Same as SewingandCakes, site has been timing out for the last 10 mins.

diddl · 19/08/2015 17:30

Oh I'm fed up!

I just logged in, went to threads I'm on & got the log in page again!

FFS!

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 17:32

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CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 17:32

Another DDOS? Or is tech doing work on the site?

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 17:32

Hi all,

We are under a DOS attack again, apologies if we get interrupted. Tech are obviously on it.

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 17:35

1122 You are on the list twice, both times with the same password. No idea why but it does seem to line up with the bit where MN are saying that it was key logging.

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 17:35

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Pipbin · 19/08/2015 17:35

OH FFS, I just changed my password again.

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 17:36

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SewingAndCakes · 19/08/2015 17:36
MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 17:36

I had an email this morning re the hack and another one this evening. A friend has also had 2 emails. Are they going out twice or is one fake?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 17:37

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diddl · 19/08/2015 17:37

So if we are on the list & it is possible that email addresses are known, is there anything we can do to stop them being spammed?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 17:39

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 17:39

@SewingAndCakes

Thanks
CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 17:39

Is it likely/ possible that this DOS has been launched so that the hackers can access further information/ alter web coding/ add in more phishing opportunities while the site is vulnerable? Or is it just for nuisance?

Would be nice to know so that we could 'prepare' ourselves if more information is to be leaked.

GraysAnalogy · 19/08/2015 17:40

Jesus christ.

Am I on this list anyone?

ChristineDePisan · 19/08/2015 17:40

Oh FFS!

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 17:42

@CarriesBucketOfBlood

Is it likely/ possible that this DOS has been launched so that the hackers can access further information/ alter web coding/ add in more phishing opportunities while the site is vulnerable? Or is it just for nuisance?

Would be nice to know so that we could 'prepare' ourselves if more information is to be leaked.

Carries, we don't know at this time but will keep you updated as and when we know more.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 17:42

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Pipbin · 19/08/2015 17:43

I'm going to make a gin and tonic lemon drizzle cake to send to MNHQ.

Oh, they are talking about this on PM on BBC radio 4 right now.

GallivantingCat · 19/08/2015 17:43

I hope this time the DOS attack is not successful.

I was wondering what likelihood there is of further lists coming out. To be, 3000 seems a very round number and as if it might be the start of several lists.

I also think that some people might not have read the email that you sent thoroughly. My original account is on the list but the email I received hid this half way through the first paragraph and I can't help thinking you sent an identical email to everyone with just this extra one sentence for those affected. If I am honest, if I hadn't been messaged by two people to say my name was on the list, I would have just glanced through the email you sent and thought it was just a general security one. If other people are like me (although hopefully they are much more attentive to their emails!) then that could be why they were using the same password again, which meant their accounts could b accessed.

LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 17:44

Graysanalogy - no your not on the list.

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