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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 16:26

MmeT. - I was on the previous thread and didn't get answered.

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 16:26

Thanks Altinkum.

Have changed passwords anyway..

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 16:27

So from what I've read on father's Justice Facebook it's a spin off group who have nothing to do with them but threatened violence against Justine (according to the statement) and they now have emails, post info, logins and dob and postcodes for potentially hundreds of abused women. ermm great.

Gruntfuttock · 19/08/2015 16:28

I haven't got to think of another secure password have I? The one I changed to yesterday was very secure so will I be able to use that one again?

akkakk · 19/08/2015 16:29

gruntfuttock

yes you will need a new one - to allow you to use the same would be a security risk for MN - they don't know that yours was a) new and b) secure as they can't see it... a pain, but in my view the right decision

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:30

Whattocallme
Ok, sorry. Didn't read all of previous threads. I'm guessing they are struggling to keep up with responses at the moment. Did you get an answer yet? Don't know the question!

heheheheheheh · 19/08/2015 16:31

I'm not able to reset my account. I tried multiple times last night and today and I can't log in. I've had to create a new account to post this. I'm guessing I'm not the only person in this situation

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 16:31

@Gruntfuttock

I haven't got to think of another secure password have I? The one I changed to yesterday was very secure so will I be able to use that one again?

Very sorry Gruntfuttock, but yes, you will have to think of a new one. I know it's a total pain, but we think it's essential at this point.

saintlyjimjams · 19/08/2015 16:31

So he's using details to hack Twitter accounts now? Do must have email addresses?

And an awful lot of time on his hands.....

Gruntfuttock · 19/08/2015 16:31

Thanks akkakk but Grrrrrr Angry too (not at you)

Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 16:32

Not yet, MmeT.

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:32

Minion
That's not what their statement says.

ChristineDePisan · 19/08/2015 16:33

Zebra - pretty sure I've seen Justine say somewhere that the info gathered through the census, or competition surveys etc is held completely separately to the MN account info (implication being that it is safe from this current attack)

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 16:35

...We hope to have code in place that will force users to choose a complex password in the next hour. At that point, we will force a log out and oblige everyone to reset their password...

Thank you Sarah.

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:35

Here's the F4J statement. I don't think they have anything to do with this, and hyperbole about anyone having abused women's details doesn't really help. Someone would have to be very determined, to go through 3000 names then search the posts from all of these women to potentially find something
damaging.

www.fathers-4-justice.org/2015/08/fathers4justice-statement-about-mumsnet-founder/

ScrambledSmegs · 19/08/2015 16:36

There are complex password generators online that you can use if you've run out of inspiration. You can then write it down, save it in a file on your device to copy & paste, or store it with a password keeper app. Or other method that I've failed to think of right now.

UhtredOfBebbanburg · 19/08/2015 16:40

Right. I want to change the email address on my account to a new one I have set up to be exclusive for MN. But the site isn't letting me. PLEASE ADVISE.

I'm also pretty pissed off about the new password reset since I devised a very complex one, which I would never forget and now I won't be able to use it any more because other people were foolish.

Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 16:43

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ghostspirit · 19/08/2015 16:43

maybe passwords could be something like this. example pass word is red apple.

to log in it asks whats 1st letter to pass word...r...whats the 5th letter..p....and whats the 8th letter...e

but i guess that would not work for people who stay logged in

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 16:45

I didn't mean they were involved. I was reading this bit
' the Mumsnet founder, Justine Roberts, has been subject to threats of violence and intimidation by a group purporting to represent fathers.'

I have good reason to be very stressed by this Sad

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 16:47

Hi all,

Sarah will be starting a new thread shortly to communicate the new, new password change.

I'm going to try and respond to other Qs now.

UhtredOfBebbanburg · 19/08/2015 16:47

Thanks Livin that does make sense and it has worked. You are a star.

GarlicDoughballsInGlitter · 19/08/2015 16:48

Following

Hygge · 19/08/2015 16:49

I keep seeing people mention a list but I can't find it to check if I'm on it.

Where can I find the list?

Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 16:49

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