Come and talk to MNHQ: live webchat about moderation and stuff with Justine and HelenMN, Thursday 4 October, 1pm-2pm

[HelenMumsnet]

Hello. We hope you all already feel you can talk to us at MNHQ anytime - either by starting a thread in Site Stuff or by mailing us or reporting a post.

But we also thought it might be useful/interesting to have a live discussion about how how about we do things re moderation etc...

So, we're hosting our very own MNHQ live webchat!

Please do join us at 1pm on Thursday to ask (more or less) anything you want. And, if you can't make then, do feel free to post a nice question here in advance.

Actually, I really want to know who is making Olivia a TSSDNCOP sampler for Christmas.

@SuperB0F

Oh, I've got one more request:

A few weeks ago I asked if Tech would release the name BOF to me when he had time to sort it out (taken but no posts, etc), and I was told it might be possible.

If I promise to send smut ONE MORE TIME, may I please have it? Even if it's hard? Very hard?

As far a I remember, we did look at this one for you but that name was assigned to an Mner who had used it

So that makes reassigning the name tricky. As all her old posts would now look like yours - unless we deleted them all, which might be a bit mean.

I'll have another look, though, and mail you.

@Tee2072

Actually, I really want to know who is making Olivia a TSSDNCOP sampler for Christmas.

Don't think we've got anyone on TeamEmbroidery.

She'll have to put up with a Charlie Sheen mug.

SERIOUS POINT ALERT

I have just been struck by a hinteresting thought.

It is us old hand regs who are complaining about deletions. And the deletions we are complaining about are the ones where we tell people they are being arses, thereby self-moderating and keeping the love.

@Tee2072

Actually, I really want to know who is making Olivia a TSSDNCOP sampler for Christmas.

@LtEveDallas

Oh, sorry no need to bring out the crying puppies.

I just read some of the threads that turn out to be trolls and you've generally had excellent support, advice and personal accounts up to the point that Trollery is suspected/discovered.

To me that's more important.

Oh, or what about deleting the Trolls posts? Although I expect that would just make the thread more confusing.

Hmm

Yes, on those occasions, we quite often just quietly ban the troll and leave the thread - if it's really helpful to others and isn't just page after pages of "bog off, you troll" posts.

@senua

When will this site be re-named parentsnet ?

Well, not parentsnet because that doesn't roll off the tongue but something similarly inclusive that doen't reinforce the stereotype that child-rearing is principally women's work.

Never! We actually considered Parentsnet when we first started tbh but it's such a meh! name, we instead opted for our strapline - by parents for parents.

I see where you are coming from and it's a point often made but the truth is though Mumsnet is far from being a site about parenting - which I completely agree is a 50-50 thing - and it's not just for mums. We have teachers, childminders, dads, people ttc. It's really a site for (mostly) women to talk about everything and anything. From relationships to jobs, to style and beauty to property, you name it.

And I don't think a space for (mostly) women is a bad thing, per se?

Yes, we aren't allowed to self-moderate by telling people they are arses any more.

Even when they are. Which, of course, is why so many people are being arses.

It's self-perpetuating, innit? You let us go back to telling people they are arses/racist/bigots/idiots/fuckwits/judgy/nasty/whatever, and they might just stop. Instead of them reporting, getting us deleted, and then claiming to be innocent and bullied.

I mean they are still being arses, even if we aren't allowed to tell them so.

Thanks Helen, I couldn't find any posts when I did a search though. Would you like to see my bum?

@Hullygully

SERIOUS POINT ALERT

I have just been struck by a hinteresting thought.

It is us old hand regs who are complaining about deletions. And the deletions we are complaining about are the ones where we tell people they are being arses, thereby self-moderating and keeping the love.

But there aren't more deletions than there were in the past?

YES

Then there are different types. Of the sort me and Mary are banging on about.

@SuperB0F

Thanks Helen, I couldn't find any posts when I did a search though. Would you like to see my bum?

And that would help how exactly?

@JustineMumsnet

[quote Hullygully] SERIOUS POINT ALERT

I have just been struck by a hinteresting thought.

It is us old hand regs who are complaining about deletions. And the deletions we are complaining about are the ones where we tell people they are being arses, thereby self-moderating and keeping the love.

But there aren't more deletions than there were in the past?

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And anyway it's what Maryzed said - you can tell someone they are are being an arse. You can't tell someone they are an arse. And the rules haven't changed on that.

Justine, I know you keep saying there are no more deletions.

But I've been here for years. And I've looked at lots of old threads, including loads in classics. And there are posts on the old threads that would never be allowed now.

Don't compare this year with last year. Compare this year with five years ago.

Smirks at BOF promising to send smut and then finishing her post with "even if it's really hard"

Yes, we aren't allowed to self-moderate by telling people they are arses any more.

Even when they are. Which, of course, is why so many people are being arses.

It's self-perpetuating, innit? You let us go back to telling people they are arses/racist/bigots/idiots/fuckwits/judgy/nasty/whatever, and they might just stop. Instead of them reporting, getting us deleted, and then claiming to be innocent and bullied.

I mean they are still being arses, even if we aren't allowed to tell them so.

THIS ^^

They are deleted, Justine. Spread the word about HQ to cease and desist.

See, I could remind you of my post where I was deleted for saying "you sound like a pompous ass".

I still feel bitter.

Gah. It would have worked on YetMoreTech.

@Blatherskite

You could always stick a huge reminder on the name change screen?

That's a good suggestion. We'll look into doing that.

BOF - can I please?

How about having a month where deletions are seriously pulled in. See if we can trundle along once again telling people that they are being twats when they properly are. I would hope that you'll find that the wimpy reporter types might just see that if they stop being twats, people might stop calling them twats.

I think bigots, cunts, twats, tossers, etc should be pulled up on it. As so many have said, telling someone they are behaving like a twat when they are is fair enough.

This makes sense to me, but my drugs are starting to work so it may not make sense to anyone else.

@StarlightMcKenzie

Why does your logo have a baby peeing in his mum's eye?

Because at Mumsnet, we tell it like it is.

thats what I used to love most about MN, the self moderation, because if you were actually being a nob you could be sure someone would come along and tell you. All very satisfactory.

Whereas a simple 'you sound smug to me' was enough to get deleted t'other day.

Anyhoo I think that point has now been made over 1000 times, so I'll leave it Ricky

When you say there are less deletions now Justine do you include data from _chat which deletes threads after 90 days?

@FrankWippery

BOF - can I please?

How about having a month where deletions are seriously pulled in. See if we can trundle along once again telling people that they are being twats when they properly are. I would hope that you'll find that the wimpy reporter types might just see that if they stop being twats, people might stop calling them twats.

I think bigots, cunts, twats, tossers, etc should be pulled up on it. As so many have said, telling someone they are behaving like a twat when they are is fair enough.

This makes sense to me, but my drugs are starting to work so it may not make sense to anyone else.

We think there are probably ways of indicating that someone's opinions are ridiculous without calling them a twat, no?