How long should a thread be left up after we are informed it is going to be deleted?

[LeB0F]

Because I don't think that four minutes is enough of a warning, I really don't

You know it will just mean threads about threads, because people who don't press F5 every minute see what looks like a totally valid question getting wiped out.

If we are going to invoke the Olympic Spirit, may I politely suggest one that leans towards London rather than Beijing?

NO USUAL that was was shif something i believe.

mama - snap! i remembered two more letters than you

I think I wrote something about thread deletions a while back. I think the thread title should stay put, but the discussion should be replaced by a statement saying why the thread was deleted. Then anyone searching for it, or looking in their watched threads, or 'threads I'm on' will see exactly what happened.

It was a poorly spelt version of a french fizzy wine, iirc.

(not brave enough to write it out, considering how trigger happy MNHQ are at present)

They 'lock' threads on Etsy, that seems to work, then everyone knows what was said and by whom but can't restoke the fire, but also there is no 'misremembering'.

Did I just make that word up????

I'm just explaining to my DP why we're all a bit and a bit here. He's describing sites he visited a while ago and said that one is where people go to when they get chucked off another. I explained that this is where people go to when they get chucked off everywhere else for swearing, calling people on being fuckwits and generally telling it like it is. It's not like anyone on this thread would really think about moving permanently to NM...

and get told off for saying 'shut the fuck up with your fucking lols and huns and twinkly fucking twinkly things'.

I'm bored. Maybe that's why nm have all the shitty twinkly stuff. Gr I am so disappointed in you mnhq.

Locking threads is a good idea, also ignore poster button. Those two things would improve MN no end.

I also read tit by proxy but I thought it was some sort of technical computer thing (proxy server related?) and didn't want to
display my ignorance by commenting on it.

Tit by proxy resolved. Reloaded app

Tit by proxy needs to be some new euphemism... hmmmmm, but what?

Sockpuppeting

Right bed/baby feeding for me.

Absobluddylutely!

Right, just found another thread about this. Off to mark my place and then to bed, to be woken up after five minutes by a teething toddler...

Not torn myself away yet. Gina mark spot on other thread too. Good luck with teething toddler

Going to not gina

I think I'm giving up and going to bed too. I don't want to cause trouble, I just feel sad that posters I like are gone, and it's hard not to talk about it when the subject comes up and you feel strongly

BOF have been away - who's gone?

sharon tsc and arctic

Ffs- wtf has been going on

Hi all,

The time before deletion varies - tis delicate balance between giving everyone enough time to see reason and avoiding further posts that only make matters worse. We always try to leave a decent interval but are aware don't always get it right.

ALSO, we are looking into ways of making the "thread deleted" message more informative - to help with this.

With regards to banned posters, we very rarely ban anyone for a single isolated incident. We don't generally give out information about who we've banned and why but, in these circs, we can say that TSC was only banned after repeated warnings from us - over many weeks - about not sticking to our guidelines, and Artex made it very clear, after a mail from us about the need to follow our guidelines, that she wasn't going to do so.

We don't have many rules on MN but we do ask everyone to stick to the few that we do have - and if they aren't prepared to, they don't really leave us much option but to suspend their ability to post.

But you still havent answered my question which I have asked repeatedly about why Stranded has not been banned for sock puppeting? Also surely her op in this thread is goading?-both not on I thought?

Or is it one rule for some posters and another rule for mnhq favourites?

I think there are plenty of posts on this thread (and the others - one of which was deleted) goading Stranded, to be honest.

As we said above, we rarely ban for a single isolated incident.

Sockpuppeting is something we take a dim view of, though, and we'd always mail the person to leave them in no doubt that breaking any of our rules again would be a v serious issue.

Rebecca, I think that you might have misunderstood Artex's reply to you (I understand it was quite stroppy and pissed off!)- surely it's understandable that somebody would refuse to accept a slap on the wrist for something they had been unfairly collared for? Seeing as how Artex had followed the guidelines as much as any of us do for the four or five years she had been registered, she can hardly have meant she was suddenly going to reverse that position, can she?

I really do think that you might email her again and try to resolve this. She has no right of reply on here at the moment, otherwise I'm sure she would be able to explain her position better than I can.

I hope you can see this has been handled badly on both sides but worse on yours ?

And weren't the crowns of the ancient Olympians made from olive branches?

Come on, Be Olympian!

Ok Rebecca, I've found the text that ArtexMonkey sent me by email after she had been banned and was upset and puzzled at the unfairness of it.

In case you haven't still got a copy, I will reproduce it here.

I think you will be able to see that it is NOT actually a refusal to comply with your talk guidelines, but the pissed-off response of somebody who wants to understand why they are being asked to apologise for something they feel they are not guilty of.

This is my reply to mnhq's original email: Hi there, I am a bit confused to get an email scolding me for "repeated personal attacks" when i had ONE post deleted on the thread to be honest. This is what my deleted post said:

"Oh dear op, it's terrible when all you want to do is 'vent your frustrations' and people misconstrue it as begging isn't it? Didn't this happen when you 'vented your frustrations' about not being able to afford a new sofa too or am i mistemembering? Dreadful bad luck that it's you it keeps happening to. Did you ever start charging your db rent, as i think you were advised to on the sofa thread? Has he go any money? It is awful when you're skint, i think a lot of people have been there tbh but hell would freeze over before i discussed my finances on here "

Ok, a bit sarky and near the knuckle perhaps, but on reflection, no i don't think i will be apologising for making "repeated personal attacks" until you can make it a bit clearer how the above constitutes such. Shame about the ban, i feel it's a bit excessive, but hey ho you're not the only social networking game in town :)

ArtexMonkey

Rebecca, I'm sure if you replied to her (which I understand nobody from HQ did, I suppose because they felt offended), this could all be sorted out and we could move forward? I know Olivia said that you are always prepared to hold your hands up if a mistake has been made, and I do think that taking Artex's reply to be a refusal to follow guidelines is truly a misunderstanding.

Thanks