FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

I have already accepted that you weren't talking about me as you stated that was the case, so all is well. Your point about not talking about men is clear. Misunderstandings all around as usual.

Hester, it's not wrong but I wouldn't think it was the whole picture.

There's also a politics section that looks fairly well used. I've no objection to a human rights forum if people want one. I don't understand the problem with FWR focusing on women - it's in the name

Then give us your explanation of the whole picture and people will agree or disagree.

I feel rejuvinated in my posting and will no longer be afraid of being told I am a div.

Although I do still think people could be a little gentler.

Imo, it can't ever be the whole picture if it's only from a woman's perspective. That doesn't make me want women to be treated fairly any less it simply means I have a different perspective, which seems to have no place on fwr. That's fine by me, I'm asking for another place to discuss it and I'm not sure the news section is it.

But there can be a crossover - if our partner has been raped - as a woman we are affected to - so a discussion on rape myths / provision of services for us may include reference to a man who has been abused - or are our experiences negated on the FWR boards.

We can equally contribute to a discussion on myths, service provision, the current system - should we then hide why we know - because itsa post in Feminism?

div?

I want to discuss these issues in Femisim - because most other places don't contain as much - knowledge - they affect me and my children - but there is no place for it in feminism (on Mumsnet) as it stands.

It's gets shouted down - we are about womenz - but any issue which affects women and children (of either gender) is - in my not that well educated opinion - a feminist issue.

Div - idiot.

Yellow, I'm asking for clarification here... Are you referring to me?

Being ambiguous can cause issues as no one really knows who your comments are directed at... Or should I just be ignoring them in the spirit of PARD?

"I want to discuss these issues in Femisim - because most other places don't contain as much - knowledge - they affect me and my children - but there is no place for it in feminism (on Mumsnet) as it stands.

It's gets shouted down - we are about womenz - but any issue which affects women and children (of either gender) is - in my not that well educated opinion - a feminist issue."

Agree Didi but I fear we are misunderstanding the prevailing ethos of the fwr board, which is probably what most of these misunderstandings emanate from.

ES I told you, I've never even encountered you, so no, I'm not talking about you.

I am talking about what we've been discussing for a week now - posters feeling unwelcome.

You can post that article on FWR, eclectic, and you can approach it from any angle you like.

Didi, I would suggest reposting your thread on the FWR board, simply because the radical feminism board is very quiet and may remain so. I'm certain that many posters will discuss the provision of services for women and children who have been raped in a constructive and helpful manner. I think that when you previously posted about this it was in one of the very long and heated threads about trans rights and women's right to access or define safe spaces. Your needs were swamped in the fall out, which shouldn't have happened but did.

Thanks yellow, could you expand on your comments then as they are quite ambiguous and I'd really like to understand your viewpoint as I support many of your posts.

Honestly, I don't know what you want me to say.

I am bored of arguing.
I am happy to contribute and not worry if people accuse me of being pro-porn.
We can all stand to be polite to each other, politeness is not anti-feminist.

Full stop.

Men are welcome to post but women are allowed to not engage with them if they don't want to. Personally I'm happy to engage with men but not to hear about their sex lives on sensitive threads, or to be told by men what is and isn't sexist or a women's issue. I will either challenge or ignore those things depending on the thread.

eclectic you might want to look at this thread here on kyriarchy. From Sept last year, in FWR, very interesting, one of my first forays into FWR IIRC.

It's really not a topic avoided in FWR - a quick search came up with 78 results

Didi I'm so very sorry for what you must be going through. Have you tried relationships? You'd get a lot of support there from very knowledgeable posters, some of whom are also FWR regulars.

Thanks catsrus. I have already read the past threads. I've also been involved in one and the term was dismissed as not bein relevant to feminism. Therefore I'd really like a place that it can be discussed openly.

Mn, is there any flicker of life at your end? Or are you as bored as the rest of us? What's the next step? Support, cafe and theory and/or humans rights board? Or dittany's suggestion of patriarchy and misogyny?

I should think hq have nodded off by now.

I don't post about it much - I change a lot of details when I do - I don't want our story to be recognised. I'm a bit paranoid tbh about it.

But thanks for the supportive messages.

I was always interested in service provision for victims and family - I just never in a million years expected to be having to use them.

And they are APPALLING - I never in a million, billion, years expected to be on the receiving end of the treatment we as a family have received - from professionals who are supposed (or not it appears) to help us.

The most emotional/welfare support we have received had been from a charity,