FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

Try the In The News board, eclectic. Some really good discussion takes place. It would be quite surreal for that investigation to be discussed on the FWR board without the fact that it is an investigation into the sexual abuse of women by male police officers.

"Any problem with semantics should be easily solved by seeking clarification and further discussion at the time, eclectic. It doesn't mean a consensus will be achieved as posters may continue to disagree but should solve any instances of simple misunderstanding."

I agree Hester, although when I've done that, I have been accused of being an "expanding" troll and subsequently, got into a bun fight

Is the news board the place to discuss human rights?

That was one brief comment that referenced someone else amongst the many threads in which you've participated, eclectic. On the other hand, it didn't happen when clarification was sought in this thread.

It's a good place to try until/if MN start a human rights board.

I think a thread about Rape Crisis' funding problems would be very welcome on FWR. You'd get more traffic and it wouldn't look like you were trying to make some sort of point by posting on a radfem forum that no radfem asked for or wants.

I'll give you a bit of an answer here though: For any charity to raise funds, they must identify and assess the need for their services and plan around that. Victims coming forward is the first step. If victims don't report, they don't cease to exist, they just don't get any help.

You can donate to Rape Crisis here.

Please explain to me why I can't post on the fwr if I don't believe the patriarchy is responsible for everything that affects women? If I wan to discuss something that affects women unfairly but I don't believe it's the patriarchy but rather the kyrarchy for want of a better word, where do I post that?

Also isn't the kyrarchy a theorectical feminist term?

I donate locally. It's a cOncern of mine as I am fully aware of the issues surrounding service provsion.

I wouldn't post anything at all, ever in FWR - as ex

As exPlained already.

In my recollection, it was two threads and it was directed at me. Please don't dismiss my perception.

You can post it on FWR, eclectic. I thought you were asking for suggestions and now feel used to make a point. You can post it on FWR, you can ask that it be seen in terms of human rights violations.

You can post wherever you want, ES. Especially if it's about women and women's issues.

But it is a discussion forum and people are very likely to disagree with you. But surely if you post something, you do it knowing that some will agree and some won't.

I'm not really sure what the issue is here.

I think the term is Kyriarchy.

Kyriarchy a link in Case it's a new term for anyone (was for me).

Kyriarchy

Ok eclectic, I won't, I didn't think I was. I was trying to be positive and point out that there are positive interactions happening right here that offer a solution.

Sorry you feel used...although not sure what I have done wrongly, yet again...

Anyway, is Kyriarchy a feminist theory and if so, why can it not be debated openly on the fwr board?

Although I regret posting it at all now (my thread).

It CAN be debated.

After all of this hoo-ha, I am just ignoring the posters who get all "waaa" and carry on.

My point is I am not trying to be difficult or obtuse... I don't see why some flavours of feminism are so frowned upon and why people seem so visibly irritated by an alternative view point that affects all people not just women. Yes I'm aware no one wants to talk about men and children... Fine, then please can we have a human rights board. Just find it confusing as some feminists believe in the Kyriarchy and yet it's not treated like a valid argument.

Men are always talked about here. Always. The vocal few will roll their eyes, but I think we just have to move on past that sort of stuff.

For what it's worth, I'm not interested in discussing men either at the moment. But I wouldn't tell you to shut up or anything. I'd probably just talk about something else.

Yellow, so you don't agree with me, no need to be rude - "get all waa".

I wasn't talking about you.

Well, yellow your point is clear. Please let's have a human rights board and hopefully no one will discuss anything other than women on fwr.

Well obviously my point isn't clear since you are taking it personally.

I meant that people get all het up on the boards and start slinging personal insults. I've never even encountered you except on these threads, so no, I wasn't talking about you.

Is it wrong that people might discuss the article in terms of women if you post about it, eclectic? It is about an investigation into the rape and abuse of women by police officers.