The Name Mumsnet sexist?

[smthchri]

I have a question. Is this site for Parenets or mums? are only mums parents?

Blimey, that has nothing to do with MN or their logo!

If you had posted a thread asking for advice from others who had been through the courts in similar situations, you probably would have got some excellent advice from the community!

I think you have miss judged MN as the cause of your (and others like you) situation, whereas they might actually be something that could help (assuming you stop quoting from Wikipedia).

technodad, I am loving that 'blimey'.

Smthchri, I hear you. The family courts are in need of an overhaul. I think that they have failed to evolve and keep up with the society that they serve.

You say that F4J are protesting about the court system. As far as I can see, their latest campaigns have been to protest a charity, this website and a well known retail chain. I believe that they too have failed to evolve. I understand the need for publicity when new, however over a decade has passed and that's still all they seem to be doing.

What real work have they done to progress the right of fathers who are wrongfully denied access to their children?

Knew it. Spidey senses tingled.

If you actually posted about your situation you'd have prob gotten support.

This has fuck all to do with mn logo and everything to do with attacking a very supportive site under the deluded view that mumsnet have a part to play in your child residency issues.

If you are here to be a pain in the arse kindly fuck off elsewhere. This is a supportive site but it pisses me right off when morons come on here attacking it for no sound or good reason

I feel it is not in the childrens best interest where either the mother or the father can basicly just make up bad things to say about each other. If the courts started Punishing such behavior only really and relevant "issues" would come to light. At the moment the most they will do is stop listening to the parent making things up, as the mother of my children found out. And yet she still makes things up telling them in court. The court just does not listen. The lies she made up stopped my seeing my children for a good 9 months. The lies delayed the initial court system by another 18 months.. saying that 4 years and 8 court orders later I am waiting to go back to court soon following Christmas.

And this is MNs name and logo's fault how?
Btw I always thought the logo was a riff on Charlie's angels and kinda cool...

In my head I think in the logo that the figures in the middle are a toddler on his Daddy's shoulders.

The last order was made in November. where I said I wanted the Christmas contact this year as I had never had them for Christmas before. we had agreed in the pressance of 2 solisitors. I wanted this agreement to be in writing. The courts refused it to be in writing. We agreed I was to have my children all Christmas and she would have them new years. I normally have them every other sat or Sunday and Wednesday evening, with more contact on the holidays. She decided on Christmas day (it was at the weekend this year) to turn up at my home with lots of her family (this never normally happens) to take to boys home where she threatened to call the police. She later told me it was not in writing so she would not do it. SO I am now waiting to go back to court, letters going back and forth. My childrens motther is making it hard to go back to court as she has appointed a solisitor, but not instructed them and is ignoring all letters. so delaying thing yet again. And your right this is off topic..The point is . But this sort of behavior and the courts allowing it to happen I feel is what F4J is trying to put right. who mentioned F4j anyway? change the subject. PLEASE!

Get thee over to our legal boards and start a thread for that

F4J is sore point here at the mo, so good plan on subject changing.

Which leads me to Dragon Butter.......

Oh fuck is it thee? Or Thou? Thee is ok as a singular isn't it? Shit

oh

and to do the helicopter means wanging ones willy around in the manner of a helicopter.

unfortunately I know what needs doing.. I have done for nearly 2 years.. but the court system will not allow it. we have to do things the long painful way. :(

(it means self-indulgent in Japanese)

Jinsel

Actually wagamamma has nothing to do with wagas or mammas.
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smthchri You have really approached this in the wrong way fella. Im a man who has posted on lots of areas of mumsnet, and have found help support and advice when I have needed it and have offered advice where I feel I have something of value to put in.

If you had approached this forum with a genuine and non hostile thread you would have found just how welcoming it actually is here. The problems you describe would have been looked at with sympathy and care. Chances are you would have received good advice to boot. But with a thread that seems to launch an attack on mumsnet first and then waves a F4J banner as well it puts people off. Please remember the in some cases personal attacks on mumsnet in general and often specific posters as well by F4J members.

Come here with an open mind and you will get good things back in return.

OP, I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. You'll find a lot of supportive people on here if you want advice and moral support.

F4J? Not so much. They should be lobbying the courts, MPs and so on, not getting their panties in a bunch about a website.

You know, I have a friend who has never denied the father of her child access. She is accommodating and helpful despite his refusal to pay any maintenance and lying about his income; despite him lying to the court about her parenting; despite him dragging her through a paychological assessment (for which she had to pay half) which proved she was completely ok; despite him moving miles away and insisting that she do half the driving; despite him wanting to take their son on holiday and not say where they are going; etc, etc.

She is not being well served by the courts. She is experiencing the same treatment that F4J complain of. She is, however, a mum.

I am so sick of hearing that this is about men only. It isn't. The court system is not ideal. Could F4J perhaps focus on that instead of looking for sexism and offence where it doesn't exist?

Psychological - obv.

This isn't the first thread I've been on recently where I've sensed an f4j influence. As on others I ignored what I thought you were trying to say and only answered the questions that you actually asked. I hope you noticed that there has been no gender hatred on this thread.

As others have said, there would be a lot of relevant advice for you here if you post in the correct topic about your individual situation. Posting about whether the name or logo is sexist isn't really going to help.
I'm sorry you are having a hard time, but I am another who thinks f4j may not be the best route to go down.