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Fathers 4 Justice and their recent attacks on Mumsnet

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JustineMumsnet · 17/03/2012 09:28

Some of you may have noticed that a group called Fathers 4 Justice has been saying some pretty unpleasant things about us over the last couple of weeks. In an 'advert' which appeared first on Facebook and then in yesterday's edition of the I, the group claims Mumsnet 'promotes gender hatred', and labels 'men and boys as rapists, paedophiles and wife beaters'. It calls on advertisers to suspend advertising on Mumsnet.

Most people, I'm quite sure, will see the adverts and the 'campaign' behind them for precisely what they are: a naked attempt to court publicity by a group of people who for whatever reason appear to have tired of climbing cranes in superhero outfits. (And, just coincidentally, in the run up to Mothers' Day). In fact it feels a bit like having a particularly irritating toddler repeatedly prodding you with a stick to get some attention.

By and large it seemed most sensible to ignore them, not least because we've had our hands quite full with stuff that actually matters, like Mumsnet's 'We believe you' campaign to dispel rape myths.

But since Fathers 4 Justice appear to have attracted some grown ups' attention, we thought we should tell you a bit about the background to this attack, the truth behind their allegations, and how they are trying to bully us and other organisations. Here are 10 things you should know.

  1. On March 3rd a Mumsnet user started a conversation about a poster campaign being touted on Mumsnet's Facebook wall by Fathers 4 Justice, and the fact that Fathers 4 Justice was bombarding a number of sites with this troubling image.
  1. A conversation then ensued on Mumsnet about Fathers 4 Justice and their tactics which some members of Fathers 4 Justice joined. Some Mumsnetters said some pretty harsh things.
  1. We deleted a number of posts that broke our forum guidelines regarding personal attacks. In total we deleted 70 posts from the thread which went on over the next few days and reached 1000 posts in total. 60 were posts were made by regular Mumsnet members, ten or so by new joiners from Fathers 4 Justice. Our community managers reminded users to follow forum guidelines on nine separate occasions and at least one prolific Mumsnetter left the site in protest at our deletion policy.
  1. On March 7th and March 8th MNHQ received a series of emails from the Campaign Director of Fathers 4 Justice containing threats of legal action and a threat to contact our advertisers. At the same time comments on the Fathers 4 Justice Facebook page describing Mumsnetters as 'barking mad harridans', 'weird sex obsessed paranoid perverts' and 'child abusing contact blockers' were left unmoderated. As were comments that described me variously as a 'dried up old hag', 'an evil woman' and having an 'IQ that would return a negative score'.
  1. On March 11th Fathers 4 Justice posted another attack ad this time accusing M&S of 'sponsoring hateful, bigoted and prejudiced comments about men and boys on Mumsnet' and demanding that M&S withdraw all advertising on Mumsnet or face a boycott. It accused the company of 'serving up gender hatred for Mother's Day'.
  1. Other organisations have experienced similar bullying tactics. In recent weeks Fathers 4 Justice have targeted the lone parents' support charity, Gingerbread, jamming up its telephone helplines. Senior NGO staff have told us they felt too intimidated to speak out against them.
  1. The suggestion that Mumsnet encourages gender hatred would be funny if it were not so offensive - and plain silly. The central aim of Mumsnet is to make parents' (mothers' and fathers') lives easier. There are many and varied opinions on the site and no one Mumsnet party line prevails, save for the view that we respect diverse opinion. We do not pre-moderate or vet comments made to our discussion boards of which there are around 30 000 every day. Men are and always have been extremely welcome on Mumsnet - we have a Dadsnet forum for Dads to talk directly with other men should they wish. We estimate that around 5-10% of our 2 million odd monthly users are men.

Of course you can always find plenty of Mumsnetters whinging about their male partners' shortcomings - more than there are whinging about their female partners' shortcomings - but generalisations are swiftly pounced on and we do not tolerate gender hatred, or any other kind of hatred for that matter (save maybe hatred of Fruitshoots). We encourage people to be civil and supportive and, in the main, most people are.

  1. Fathers 4 Justice campaigns for fathers to have access to their children following separation or divorce. Its founder, Matt O'Connor, says parents have 'fewer rights than a terrorist'. The organisation was temporarily disbanded in 2006 after it emerged that some of its members had plotted to kidnap Tony Blair's son Leo. Fathers 4 Justice boasts that it is 'the most controversial and high profile pressure group of modern times' but it has struggled to win public attention since abandoning its eye-catching tactic of scaling tall structures in superhero costumes. In recent weeks it has targeted Cafcass, the body responsible for protecting the rights of children in court proceedings, Gingerbread, the charity for single parents, (which it claimed supported 'the abuse of children') and Mumsnet. It has also, somewhat mysteriously, branded London 2012 'the fatherless games'.
  1. We believe that the issue of father's access to children is important and needs to be discussed. We understand that many Fathers 4 Justice campaigners are driven by intense personal anger over what they feel is injustice they have suffered in their own cases. But the recent actions the group have taken against Mumsnet and others constitute plain and simple bullying and intimidation and only harm its cause.
  1. Reading this, you may well already be spitting tacks by now. Please do remember that's precisely what Fathers 4 Justice want. If you post on the subject please keep it civil. We won't be bullied, but we don't want to be dragged into the mire either.

Many thanks.

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Valpollicella · 19/03/2012 22:31

Jaysus.

I always thought if you didn't like MN, or it's posts, it was pretty easy to hit the off button on your laptop or computer and

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Just saying like....

Sunnywithachanceofshowers · 19/03/2012 22:36

Definitely a troll.

NarkedPuffin · 19/03/2012 22:36

Nope. Doesn't sound like a MNer. But then they've had a go at a lot of groups recently and been getting a lot of attention. And there are internet trolls that target women. We've had it happen enough here to know that.

PurpleRomanesco · 19/03/2012 22:37

[email protected]

:o :o

PurpleRomanesco · 19/03/2012 22:38

Oh God! Don't ban me for that picture!

Valpollicella · 19/03/2012 22:39

I want that on a tshirt Purple!

Codandchops · 19/03/2012 22:40

...me too.Grin

SophieNeveu · 19/03/2012 22:40

Grin Purple

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 19/03/2012 22:40

Bad form adding a pic of somebodies kid :(, jane

CaveMum · 19/03/2012 22:40

Ha ha ha ha ha @ that picture Purple Grin x 1,000

I really hope whoever is on MN duty tonight prints a copy if that off for the office wall!

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 22:41

arrghh my eyes !

NarkedPuffin · 19/03/2012 22:41

They're accusing us of being behind the Facebook trolling.

PurpleRomanesco · 19/03/2012 22:41

Please note Justine I picked the hottest statue. Wink

MmeLindor. · 19/03/2012 22:42

If you are buying from M&S don't forget to go through MN so that they profit from our campaigning.

I didn't get to Simply Food earlier, cause the traffic was terrible. Going tomorrow morning

Angelico · 19/03/2012 22:42

The whole thing is hysterical, especially the Sun article about Nadine "It's okay for me to deny contact to my ex partner but not other women, regardless of their circumstances" Taylor Hmm

whogivesa1 · 19/03/2012 22:43

I dont believe that a MNter would 'do a Jane'!

PurpleRomanesco · 19/03/2012 22:43

Ofcourse they are Narked (thank you again). We are an easy target.

NarkedPuffin · 19/03/2012 22:44

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MmeLindor. · 19/03/2012 22:44

hahaha Purple. You rock!

I am pretty sure that Jane is a random internet troll and nothing to do with MN. No one on MN would post pinch a photo of a child from another FB page. And to set up Twitter and contact other Fathers campaigning groups - how many of us actually know any other groups?

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 19/03/2012 22:44

we're the most logical choice tbh, it's obviously somebody who has been following our discussion

Angelico · 19/03/2012 22:44

I totally missed the Jane stuff Confused

TheLittlestGoat · 19/03/2012 22:45

He's the Devil in Disguise Matt O Connor that is.

MmeLindor. · 19/03/2012 22:46

Yes, agree that logically we are the most likely choice of culprit. I can see why they would assume that and don't blame them for making that call.

Hope they see that most of us were not amused by it, and called for it to be removed.

SophieNeveu · 19/03/2012 22:47

is that photo shopped or did he pose like that? Shock

SinicalSanta · 19/03/2012 22:48

bullshit