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MNHQ so what is allowed.

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ChristmasFuckers · 21/12/2011 15:23

Whatand how can we discuss the donations??

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SuePurblybiltbyElves · 21/12/2011 16:57

Scottishmummy succinct as ever Grin.

I think one of the worries was that the amounts of cash involved would affect her benefit calculations and cause future problems for the poster. But that was apparently OK as she had a bank account that the DWP didn't know about.

I don't know. I've missed all the deleted threads today anyway.

scottishmummy · 21/12/2011 16:59

mn has a history of sob stories resulting in monies given
and usually ended badly

now a organised collection for a specific individual in response to a situation,is markedly different to a plea which an op makes resulting in giving

but mnhq can't regulate for every sob story,and folk need to IMO be savvy

no LA would leave family with kids without some small provision either via crises loan or voluntary sector.

UnexpectedOrangeInMyStocking · 21/12/2011 17:00

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HarktheHelenMumsnetAngelsSing · 21/12/2011 17:01

Hello. OK, am here to answer your Qs if I can...

Last night's thread was deleted because the MNHQer on duty felt it had become a bunfighty trollhunt. Subsequent threads were deleted for broadly similar reasons.

We hear your comments that leaving the thread up may have been more useful but we have Talk Guidelines about trollhunting/posting in a way that implies another poster is up to no good - and we have to apply them fairly and squarely to all.

As for begging threads in general, we agree it is all a bit tricky.

We, like you, have been overwhelmed in the past by the generosity of Mumsnetters to other Mumsnetters in difficulty. And we wouldn't want to "ban" that kind of thing - even if we could.

However, we do acknowledge that the flipside of such outpourings of generosity is that unscrupulous or desperate people may then try to take advantage.

As always, we maintain our stance that we (and you) should give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise (hence our stance on trollhunty posts). But we're not sure it's always wise to extend that benefit of the doubt when it comes to giving cash to people you don't "know".

The truth is, we can never know anyone on the internet is who they say there are - whether they've been posting on Mumsnet for five minutes or five years - so, before you send anyone money as a result of an MN thread, we'd suggest you bear that in mind and only part with your cash if you're prepared for the possibility that it might not be spent as you'd intended.

In the past, other MNers have banded together to collect money/gifts for another Mumsnetter, rather than all send money separately. And that might be a safer/less random way to do this kind of thing. But, again, the same caveats apply.

Sorry if that all sounds a bit Sad, especially right on the heels of our Secret Santa this year but it's right, we think, that people do consider it.

HarktheHelenMumsnetAngelsSing · 21/12/2011 17:03

@ChristmasFuckers

looks like nowdays threads are going ops way or no way

You may think that, ChristmasFuckers, but we say no to far more thread deletion requests than we say yes to.

AwayinaKayzr · 21/12/2011 17:04

theyoungvisiter, no I fully agree I don't think people should ask directly for money or other stuff, food, petrol etc etc

But what then happens if someone says that for whatever reason they have no money and people offer it?

Do MNHQ get involved or leave it to the posters to sort out?

Crisis loans are a real PITA to get, it's like the spanish inquistion but they should be the first thing to get before accepting money from here or other forums.

Pinot · 21/12/2011 17:05

OK HelenMN.

May I ask where you stand on the Tom Hardy infatuation flooding MN at present ?

Pinkismycolour · 21/12/2011 17:05

Sorry but banning it for troll hunting is bollocks.

I dont think one person on that thread suggested op wasnt genuine poster-advanced search was all that was needed to confirm that.

People were merely suggesting that perhaps giving cash to a stranger wasnt the best way to help them.. Others disagreed-opinions ensued. Surely thats what mn is all about no?

Deleting the thread means op may be embaressed to start another thanking people.leads to rumours and also means that imo come next xmas we will be inundated with these kinds of threads.

AwayinaKayzr · 21/12/2011 17:06

Ooooh just googled Tom Hardy. I like.

scottishmummy · 21/12/2011 17:07

given can buy xmas meal,wine,wee treats for £50
did the poster stop receiving at say £50, or did she continue to accept all monies?

certainly as I see it,the amount received is interesting.don't know what the amount was,but certainly there was speculation

Cankulzof · 21/12/2011 17:08

Ackshurly, the OP did thank people, quite wholeheartedly, for the practical advice she was getting as well as the financial. I've just discovered last night's thread in another tab mwahahahahaha

I don't agree with the money-giving at all and think that that side of it was tacky at best, but just wanted to dispel any idea that she was ungrateful.

scottishmummy · 21/12/2011 17:09

yes crises loans involve rigorous questioning
it's meant to,that's the point - assess extent of need/crises

ebbandflow · 21/12/2011 17:09

HelenMumsnet-if a begging thread is identified could you quickly put up a warning comment to all readers about being wary about sending money to a stranger?

LaCiccolina · 21/12/2011 17:09

Im short £20....Anyone fancy lending it to me?

Sorry, no idea of the thread, just really couldn't resist....

fsmile

RichTeaAreCrap · 21/12/2011 17:10

scottish - a food delivery plus some bits for the dc's was sent to the poster on top of the money - I think this is where it is all a bit uncomfortable.

HarktheHelenMumsnetAngelsSing · 21/12/2011 17:10

@ebbandflow

HelenMumsnet-if a begging thread is identified could you quickly put up a warning comment to all readers about being wary about sending money to a stranger?

We could certainly try. But you'd have to report it to us - or we might not see it.

ebbandflow · 21/12/2011 17:10

Poster didn't ask for money to stop yesterday-I think that is what annoyed me the most.

TheCrackFox · 21/12/2011 17:12

I really think she would have been successful if she had gone ahead and applied for a crisis loan.

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 21/12/2011 17:12

Helen, I've been out, but I was about to reply to you when the last thread went poof- I sent a report which was NOT casting aspersions about the OP of last night's thread, but suggesting whoever was on duty could step in with a friendly word of warning about sending money personally, because it was obvious that the thread would descend into chaos and the OP would be receiving more than she could hope to pay back or account for. I know that Rebecca posted to that effect, but that was about two hours later when the damage was done, shortly before deletion. About half an hour after my report, I got a generic reply advising me to exercise caution in sending money to Internet strangers- YES, I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I HAD REPORTED THE THREAD.

I am not having a hissy fit, but I do think it could have been handled better and faster than what eventually happened.

AgentProvocateur · 21/12/2011 17:12

The "bank account that the DWP don't know about" - is that true?

scottishmummy · 21/12/2011 17:12

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theyoungvisiter · 21/12/2011 17:12

"But what then happens if someone says that for whatever reason they have no money and people offer it?"

MNHQ should delete the offer like any other banned post.

If there was a clear policy that offering cash or soliciting cash was against the rules, I think it would clear the air in a lot of ways and focus people on what MN should actually be about - emotional and practical support.

YuleingFanjo · 21/12/2011 17:12

"But what then happens if someone says that for whatever reason they have no money and people offer it?

Do MNHQ get involved or leave it to the posters to sort out?"

surely if posters want to give money it's their own choice and responsibility. Why should MNHQ be making rules about it. Those 'rules' would not be enforcable. All they can do is advise caution. We are all adults, no?

AwayinaKayzr · 21/12/2011 17:13

Helen Can't there be some sort of rule that you can't post asking for money?

So then tomorrow X can't say they are in desperate need of money and could MNers give X some. But X can post about being laid off, house burning down, DP being seriously ill etc etc and if MNers decide to give money, arrange food shop etc they can do so.

ChristmasFuckers · 21/12/2011 17:14

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