MNHQ so what is allowed.

[ChristmasFuckers]

Whatand how can we discuss the donations??

I give up. I spend time writing a perfectly valid point or two and the whole thread gets deleted. Pah!

I'm guessing this will just get too boring for us skeptics to continue discussing/posting on.

This is the fifth thread about this topic that I'm posting on, and I don't have the energy to keep rehashing concerns.

Oh yes - what Belle said.

Maybe there should be some sort of guideline for this sort of thing, eg. Offers of food/practical help only, and reminders that the Internet is largely anonymous.
If individual posters decide to ignore, and donate silly amounts of money to an unknown person, it's up to them.

belle thats what I mean. I thought we can discuss things and we had some valid points, but all gets deleted.

It's very hard trying to catch up on this when everything keeps getting deleted...it's referred to in hushed tones offboard already, yet there is no clarification available on MN.

I do really understand HQ's stance....however, they are running the risk of it turning into an MN myth by deleting every mention of it - with the exaggerations that will inevitably be added to the myth as it grows (and it will).

That can't be to the OP of the original thread's benefit, can it?

By deleting I actually think HQ are adding to the tarnishing of her reputation, whether or not it's deserved.

Just my twopenneth.

As you were

belle, me too.

and, as I said on the other thread , this will not help matters it will go down in mn history as "the time a poster posted a begging thread and loads of mners were swindled". look at TWR. and the "red rug" saga (before my time) there were no personal attacks.

Discuss this as a general topic, without reference to last night?
It was deleted because it turned into a rehash of last nights threads.

can't people just use their own sense? I missed all this last night but I am often suspicious about people who seem to be trying to get things from others.

Couldn't posters take responsibility for themselves and offer money/items/help using the PM system if they are that way inclined?

Why do they even need to be discussed?

Someone complained about money problems and then some MNetters wanted to give her money. Surely it's up to them if they give money or not?

I do get some points that have been mentioned. I have had some really crap times with money when I haven't known what I'm going to do. I know that if I posted about them then yes someone might offer money.

What is wrong with people offering money if they want too?

Yeah Faver I think MNHQ should tell us officialy how do they feel about the donations.

HAH, was replying to old thread and it got deleted.But I managed to go back to retrieve my post and here it is...

I was here last night and now because I am interested in how the situation should be dealt with and been thinking about it. As MNHQ can make up rules as to how the community should be run, can they not make a specific 'no cash begging' rule? I have NO objection to all the threads on here asking for help, especially to a justgiving page or to a known charity or to make a blanket (so many times, I had wished I had the skills to contribute to threads like that :() or even doing the food order thing (do remember a thread where a MNetter posted about how bare her cupboards were and I think a kind MNetter took some food to her) but cash straight into a PP account or a bank account is surely a NO NO?

I know a lot of it can be done covertly through PMs but surely there can be a rule that once a personal PP address is posted for that purpose or when offers of cash are made to another poster, the thread gets pulled immediately. Make that rule very clear. Just NO CASH OFFERS.

There you go, that's my two pence worth. FYI, the thread last night did not sit comfortably with me (and I am someone who has offered to pay the difference when someone in front of me at the supermarket was short of £4 to pay her shopping) and I have had many years of dealing with online communities as well. Not saying that it wasn't genuine BUT people forget (especially on online forums) that NOT everyone is like them. It might have started as a genuine thread/problem but once the money started to come in, it's hard to say no. That's only human nature and it's up to each person's values how that is dealt with personally and that's the unknown factor.

pinot, snap!

So, do we know who the designated allower of subjects is?

Just so I don't form an opinion on something without prior consent.

rubbish timing innit

Completely agree angel

yep.

cother, not so long ago mnhq went a bit deletion crazy. maybe its the time of year!

Agree with Angel too..

Agree with pinot and angel

ooh yes good post angel.

I agree with Pinot (and am also illing)

It isn't so much the giving that I have an issue with. As people have pointed out, we are all adults here capable of making our own decisions.

What bugs me is that anyone who raises a note of caution on one of these kind of threads is immediately shouted down as a child-eating monster. Then someone leaps in saying 'yes but the OP is lovely on so everyone back off>. Which rather spectacularly misses the point, that with a very few exceptions none of us know who we are talking to on here.

I also think that there is competitive giving. Posters get carried away with 'I will give you £10', 'I will give you £20', 'I will have a shop delivered' - and so on.

What did I say on the last thread? Erm...

There have been other threads over the past few weeks from people who are struggling financially, they are not offered money but given support and advice on where to go for help. Mumsnet is full of lovely people but I think there's a tendency to jump in with both feet (take Riven's problem for example), to act first and think later. It should be down to people to decide what they do with their money but they need to remember that not everyone on the web is as they make out. Would you give £20 to someone who stopped you in the street and asked for some money to buy food/heating/Christmas presents for their children?

hoping to keep this thread light enough to avoid HQ's big RED button, see?

Also - it always used to be that MNHQ wouldn't delete a thread just because it didn't turn out how the OP wanted. That does seem to have changed somewhat in recent months.

MNHQ - in reply to you on the (now deleted) thread that TSC started. I thought I had reported under this name, I don't namechange a lot and I am fairly sure I didn't last night. I was very poorly yesterday evening though so it is possible I didn't actually send the message.

What AliBellandthe40jingles said

I'm saying no more because I'm fed up of posting on threads that get deleted