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Reply to Justine

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TheOriginalFAB · 18/12/2011 18:46

The first objection I'm afraid I can't really buy - Most of the UK population uses Facebook. Most Mumsnetters use facebook. It's a bit mad to object to facebook on principle - it's like objecting to people.

This is just daft and is irrelevant whether you buy it or not. Just because "most of ths population" use FB doesn't mean everyone on MN is going to like it. It is like saying you don't buy that some people won't eat meat as the majority of the population are not vegetarian/vegan. And it is nothing like objecting to people Hmm

The second objection I just think is misguided, as I've explained. Users' privacy is no more compromised by this button than it ever was.

It might not be "no more compromised" than before but the point is it is much more visable now and before people might not have been aware of the link button but now they are and they don't like it.

So should we change something because some people on this thread dislike it even if we think they are mistaken to dislike it? Even though what they are objecting to is already in place?

You may think we are mistaken not to like it but we are part of MN and without posters you just have a website with adverts no one sees. And the fact that it is already in place is not the issue. Before lots of posters weren't aware of it so couldn't object.

I've been doing this long enough to know that new things are never well-received - but it doesn't always mean they are bad.

That comes across as patronising and lots of posters are telling you this is a "bad" idea and lots of people don't like it.

For me this is a huge loss as I feel unable to discuss something I would have appreciated help with and that makes me feel sad. And namechanging doesn't work for me as someone always guesses who I am and outs me.

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thefroggy · 22/12/2011 01:32

Thanks helen, (wipes sweat from brow). Finally.....

QuintessentiallyShallow · 22/12/2011 10:48

Calatalie, I think this has been happening for a while already.

HarktheHelenMumsnetAngelsSing · 22/12/2011 10:48

Morning all.

So... The Like button is now a Recommend button.

There should now be a 'proper' two-step Recommend process (including a genuine cancelling option).

And you can opt of our seeing the Recommend button by going to Customise/Other Options/Hide the Facebook "recommend" button on threads and selecting 'Yes'.

Merry Christmas Xmas Smile and thank you, Tech!

MarshaBrady · 22/12/2011 10:50

Good stuff MNHQ. Very happy that the word 'like' is removed. Recommend is far better suited to mn.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 22/12/2011 10:50

For example, there is a big ad on my right side panel in facebook saying "Linda Smith Likes XYZ Airlines" With Lindas facebook photo and full name. (Her name is not actually Linda Smith, btw)

QuintessentiallyShallow · 22/12/2011 10:51

Thanks Helen, Tech and team. Merry Christmas.Xmas Wink

JKSLtd · 22/12/2011 10:55

Thanks Tech & the team Xmas Smile

Out of curiosity, do you have a way of counting how many people choose to opt out of the Recommend button?
Would be interested to have an idea of what proportion of MNers choose to hide it.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 22/12/2011 10:55

But this means, that anybody who presses Recommend ("like") could potentially end up on their friends walls as faces endorcing products they have in the past "liked" (recommended) if the vendor (In our case mumsnet) wants to spend ad $ on this. And it is a fantastic tool for targeting ads.
I clicked through on a feature about weight loss once, and since then, most of the ads on my facebook has to do with slimming and beauty and weight loss. They learn a lot about us from cookie data. But it is all just statistics, and not like anybody is really sitting there giving a rats arse about what we like and not.

KouklaMoo · 22/12/2011 10:58

Thank you HelenMumsnet and Happy Christmas Xmas Smile

Trills · 22/12/2011 11:02

If I run company "PrettyFlowers", and PrettyFlowers has a page on Facebook that people can "like", then I can choose to create an advert that will go in the side-panel on Facebook and be shown only to people whose friends have "liked" my business.

So if your friend Lucy has clicked "like" on PrettyFlowers then you might see an ad for PrettyFlowers and underneath it would say "Lucy like this".

You're not being told anything that you wouldn't have seen already, because Lucy's "liking" would have come up on your News Feed.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 22/12/2011 11:08

Trills, do they have to pay for the ads they create? I have seen the feature "Create Ad", but I have not investigated....

CalatalieSisters · 22/12/2011 11:08

Yes, Quint: apparently they will be "rolled out" on a much larger scale in 2012

QuintessentiallyShallow · 22/12/2011 11:09

So only some have it alredy?

HaveYourselfAMardyLittleXmas · 22/12/2011 11:54

Just seen this - Hooray!
And thanks MNHQ.

Off to customise now.

Akiram · 22/12/2011 11:58
CalatalieSisters · 22/12/2011 13:40

Did Tech say earlier that FB doesn't do a share button anymore (or is phasing it out, rather)? I guess that is because the function is increasingly about harvesting endorsements for commercial purposes?

Anonymousbosh · 22/12/2011 21:35

Hooray!njust read this, thanks for listening MN!

BertieBotts · 22/12/2011 23:07

I prefer "Share" too

deepandcrispandsevenfold · 22/12/2011 23:11

have been lurking on this thread as I don't hate FB.
I wonder how many people have thrown their toys out of the pram and deleted mners of their fb over this.
I have had at least one delete me, very odd as I have done nothing.
very odd behavior imo

Furball · 23/12/2011 06:11

deepandcrisp - It is odd because if you know they are MNers (and they you) they can read your posts if they so wanted anyway? and they know these boards and know how it is etc.....

My concern was outing myself to anyone who wasn't a MNer.

But a big THANK YOU to everyone at MN for listening and adapting it for us cack handed everyone

Dillydaydreaming · 23/12/2011 08:02

May I ask all who have frothed and shouted here to visit the thread regarding Every Disabled Child Matters campaign if you have not done so.

It's here.

Thank you

Dillydaydreaming · 23/12/2011 08:03

What I mean is....you have argued successfully for a change in thinking here - we need that kind of stuff going to the Govt regarding cuts to benefits for carers.

etJeviensEntretesReindeers · 23/12/2011 09:00

I'm not entirely sure why people seem so pleased. (sorry)

Changing the name of the button is a small improvement but doesn't make any difference really.

As it's still there. And even if you hide it, it's still there.

And saying it was there all the time anyway, well, it wasn't, only since a few months-maybe a year ago, and many of us never wanted it in the first place.

So I don't get it really. But I'm not going to post on here any more as my messages are still taking 30 seconds to actually appear in the message box as I type them.

HereWeGoLoopyLou · 27/12/2011 17:33

We've been fobbed off. Personally I think it's disgraceful and it's turning Mumsnet into a VERY commercial venture. I certainly couldn't recommend this site to anyone now. There have been too many near misses lately. Sadly.

SingleSoloShattersSparklyStars · 28/12/2011 12:27

I have a completely separate FB account for my MN 'friends' so my rl friends don't overlap. Not sure if it comes up on any particular fb account or whether it only comes up on the email address that your fb and Mn account is with iyswim, but I wont be pressing any like, recommend or share button that has FB on it anyway so hopefully, I'll never know!

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