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TheOriginalFAB · 18/12/2011 18:46

The first objection I'm afraid I can't really buy - Most of the UK population uses Facebook. Most Mumsnetters use facebook. It's a bit mad to object to facebook on principle - it's like objecting to people.

This is just daft and is irrelevant whether you buy it or not. Just because "most of ths population" use FB doesn't mean everyone on MN is going to like it. It is like saying you don't buy that some people won't eat meat as the majority of the population are not vegetarian/vegan. And it is nothing like objecting to people Hmm

The second objection I just think is misguided, as I've explained. Users' privacy is no more compromised by this button than it ever was.

It might not be "no more compromised" than before but the point is it is much more visable now and before people might not have been aware of the link button but now they are and they don't like it.

So should we change something because some people on this thread dislike it even if we think they are mistaken to dislike it? Even though what they are objecting to is already in place?

You may think we are mistaken not to like it but we are part of MN and without posters you just have a website with adverts no one sees. And the fact that it is already in place is not the issue. Before lots of posters weren't aware of it so couldn't object.

I've been doing this long enough to know that new things are never well-received - but it doesn't always mean they are bad.

That comes across as patronising and lots of posters are telling you this is a "bad" idea and lots of people don't like it.

For me this is a huge loss as I feel unable to discuss something I would have appreciated help with and that makes me feel sad. And namechanging doesn't work for me as someone always guesses who I am and outs me.

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IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 19:33

And does anyone trust that it will be a true double click process, since we were assured on Friday that it was a double click and that pressing cancel would, erm, cancel the "like".

Which they now admit it doesn't.

Once clicked, cancelling it, or clicking outside the box has no affect - the thread is still linked.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 19:34

Lissie, I said accidentally like your thread.....

That's the problem.

Has no-one here ever clicked on the wrong button on a small netbook, or on their phone? Really, never?

Because I do it a lot (fat finger, wandering mouse alcoholic haze syndrome)

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:37

but thats where the "are you sure"/double click linky thing comes in. you post "my horrible child has left his wank sock in the kitchen" accidentally click like and up comes a box asking "are you pissed sure?" and you sober up click no.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 19:41

Yes, if you trust it to be drunkproof foolproof.

The way this has been done so arseways, and the fact that mumsnet seem surprised by the facebook setup and don't seem to know how exactly it works, doesn't inspire me with confidence Hmm.

Added to which, if it is a Facebook controlled button, who is to know that they won't suddenly decide to change the settings at any time - they seem to do it all the time on their own site.

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:42

it does seem to have been handled badly.

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 19:46
LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:49

it may have been handled badly, but its not written into the T&C's of mn usage that you have to like threads or link to them from your fb. you still have the option to not use it without it detracting from the benefits of the site. you will still get the same answers on the same threads.

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 19:49

And although the Like button isn't (yet) on the Mobile version of MN, until last week I was using the 'non-mobile' version on my smartphone as the older Mobile version didn't ever seem to work very well.

And on a smartphone it's very VERY easy to hit a wrong button. I'm not sure I'd even trust a two-stage process tbh.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 19:53

I still haven't got an answer as to why we were allowed to hide the dangle bar but we aren't allowed to hide this?

Lissie, I have no intention of ever liking anything to Facebook. And the more I hear about it, the less I ever want to go on Facebook at all. It's all a bit Big-Brother-y for me [hides]

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:57

I love FB but mainly use it for nosing around other peoples profiles games and stuff. Ive never linked to a thread from there though. Ive discussed threads.

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 19:58

Lissie - I don't think you will get the same answers on the same threads. Many people (especially on the first thread have said they will change their usage and giving of advice/information). Maybe a wake up call re Internet security is a good thing, but I do think it will change how and what people post (especially in the short term).

I think mn are playing the long game though...

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 20:01

crisp, maybe posters will be more prudent about their online persona, but tbh, I dont think anything will change. and I think very few people will actually leave mn because of it. posters will forget its there after a while.

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 20:02

Exactly. The long game.....

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 20:03

I agree with that Crisp.

I will never share any personal information on a thread with such an obvious like button. I will never again give the type of personal experience that I have given on threads before.

When I first came on here I realised for the first time that I wasn't going mad, that I wasn't the only person coping with awful things in my life that I couldnt' talk about irl. I realised that there were other people like me and by reading their experiences and discussing things with them I learned to manage my own life.

I have tried to support people, because I thought this was a support site.

If it is just a chat site, there are loads of those. In particular, there are a few Irish chat sites where I can discuss politics, product reviews, tv, that type of thing.

If I can't talk about my children ever, then I'm not sure how much I will be here. Which is sad, after so long.

Osmiornica · 19/12/2011 20:08

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CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 20:08

FBO - yes, I think it will primarily become an entertainment site providing fodder for the dm and the wright show.

Big shame as that is not how I use it. Guess I must be in the minority.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 20:09

I got an answer Osmiornica.

They aren't going to pull the button from any old threads.

They aren't going to widen the topics from which the button will be removed.

So I suspect the answer to your question is no Sad.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 20:10

What I don't get is why we need a more obvious, easier to click accidentally, button when it was in the easy to hide Dangle Bar anyway?

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 20:12

Ah, but this is no different Dragon. Apparently.

Hmm
blondie74 · 19/12/2011 20:12

Tech / MNHQ

articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-27/tech/30207156_1_facebook-director-log-cookies

I am assuming that you aren't aware that Facebook continues to log your internet activity after you have logged out? Given FB's form when it comes to playing fast and loose with users privacy settings there are no guarantees that they won't at somepoint utilize the information they are gathering as an "enhancement" to their site.

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 20:12

I lie. It is to 'help' make our lives easier.

CalatalieSisters · 19/12/2011 20:13

Am I missing something, Dargon? I thought they were two different buttons -- a share button and a like button. Have I got that wrong?

noddyholder · 19/12/2011 20:13

So is this right. If someone posts a like link to FB teh whole thread is on FB all the posts even from people who don't want their opinions aired on another internet forum?

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 20:13

I think the answer is that they don't want us to be able to hide it.

Which seems odd to me - they say that they only want us to press it if we want to Hmm. So why can't those of us who know absolutely that we will never press it, hide it?

I must have asked that question at least 20 times since Thursday and it has never even been acknowledged.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 20:14

I have no idea. Is there a practical difference between sharing and liking? other than the like count.

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