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TheOriginalFAB · 18/12/2011 18:46

The first objection I'm afraid I can't really buy - Most of the UK population uses Facebook. Most Mumsnetters use facebook. It's a bit mad to object to facebook on principle - it's like objecting to people.

This is just daft and is irrelevant whether you buy it or not. Just because "most of ths population" use FB doesn't mean everyone on MN is going to like it. It is like saying you don't buy that some people won't eat meat as the majority of the population are not vegetarian/vegan. And it is nothing like objecting to people Hmm

The second objection I just think is misguided, as I've explained. Users' privacy is no more compromised by this button than it ever was.

It might not be "no more compromised" than before but the point is it is much more visable now and before people might not have been aware of the link button but now they are and they don't like it.

So should we change something because some people on this thread dislike it even if we think they are mistaken to dislike it? Even though what they are objecting to is already in place?

You may think we are mistaken not to like it but we are part of MN and without posters you just have a website with adverts no one sees. And the fact that it is already in place is not the issue. Before lots of posters weren't aware of it so couldn't object.

I've been doing this long enough to know that new things are never well-received - but it doesn't always mean they are bad.

That comes across as patronising and lots of posters are telling you this is a "bad" idea and lots of people don't like it.

For me this is a huge loss as I feel unable to discuss something I would have appreciated help with and that makes me feel sad. And namechanging doesn't work for me as someone always guesses who I am and outs me.

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DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 19:03

Custardo, because it can be done accidentally

you obtuse thicko [arf]

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Tech · 19/12/2011 19:03

Actually custy that's not quite right. By the time the box pops up, you've already posted. The popup is just letting you add a comment if you wish. But if you do nothing, the "Like" still happens.

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:03

if privacy concerns you

you can

create a seperate fb account and invite mn mates only - i do this

or change your name frequently.

what is the difference between the fb button and me just posting a thread in fb?

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 19:03

Actually I hadn't thought of the difference between being 'logged in' to MN and just having your browser open at an MN page. The fact that the Like button posts to your FB page in both cases (if you're logged into FB, which you have to be to look at it) is even more worrying.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 19:03

Once you've clicked it it has posted. the second part of the process you think you've got is simply typing an additional comment.

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:04

i didn't know that tech, you need to fix that Grin

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:04

why is is worrying bobbin?

noddyholder · 19/12/2011 19:05

I think it could be done in error and I suppose if you didn't want fb friends and mn colliding them there could be a problem.

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:06

righto, am sure tech can fix that

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 19:06

Custardo - can I refer you to my earlier post, which contained the following:

"
And for the hard of imagination, would you really welcome FB wallposts like these below, whether you have personally posted on them or not?

'Bobbin Likes the thread 'My 7 year son's old's problem with their nightmare classmate' on Mumsnet' [link]
'Bobbin Likes the thread "Worried about my DH's erectile problems' on Mumsnet' [link]
'Bobbin Likes the thread 'I'm plotting to kill my MIL as she's such a facist old bat' on Mumsnet [link]
'Bobbin Likes the thread 'Bumsex on a Friday Night' on Mumsnet [link]"

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 19:07

The one-click is FBs fault. Apparently.

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:07

so you dont want to see this from other peoples feeds - is that your issue?

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:08

becuase it would be banal and boring to read is that why you dont want to read other people pressing the like button?

FrothingBeserker · 19/12/2011 19:09

All this sanctimonious 'if you share a computer you really should always log out of FB and delete cookies" nonsense is really starting to annoy me.

My (teenage) stepchildren will often borrow my laptop (becaus ethey are too lazy to walk another few steps to the family computer, where they have their own profile Hmm Grin). I am usually permanently logged in on FB - it's my laptop, no problem.

I do not have palpitations and rush to it immediately they ask "Frothing, can I just use your computer?" because, err, they are my family. I trust them. They are not going to snoop or pry, or post anything undesirable. They simply log me out, and log themselves in.

When they are done, with that, and email, and everything else, they freqeuntly just flip the screen down and walk away - like they do with their own laptops. and forget to log out. which again does not matter, because when I next go to use FB, or my webmail, I have a Hmm Confused moment while staring at a whole load of gibberish I know I didn't type, and then cotton on, log them out and log me in. again, no prying, no snooping. because we trust each other. but a bit of a nightmare if they have left themelves logged into FB on my laptop and I then like a thread (accidentally or otherwise)

asking people to completely change their computer user habits, because MN cannot be bothered to test their code properly, or make the options fully customisable is ridiculous, tbh.

about as ridiculous as launching something untested (which happens just about every time something is changed) - did you really not test any of this, or properly go through the FB supplied code? the mind boggles. and the repeated protestations that it is a two stage process, which went on for a good while, despite posters reporting otherwise, just serve to make all at MNHQ look as though they have no idea of how their own website operates.

Tortington · 19/12/2011 19:12

i have to admit that when there was the consultation that asked if we wanted a fb like button

i thought this would be a fb like 'like' button where you could just kinda say to the op 'i like this' without posting

so i completely got the wrong end of the stick

i seem to be doing that a lot

Tech fix the two stage thing - how hard can it be

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 19:14

"so you dont want to see this from other peoples feeds - is that your issue?"

No - I don't want other people to think I have deliberately clicked on Bumsex or Erectile Problem threads to 'share' them with my FB friends. When I HAVEN'T deliberately clicked on them.

And when my FB friends see them, I don't want them raising their eyebrows going 'What on earth is Bobbin doing reading threads about Erectile Dysfunction'. Surely you must 'get' that???

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 19:16

Sorry - that should be 'haven't deliberately clicked on the 'Like' button for them', not haven't clicked on the actual thread.

noddyholder · 19/12/2011 19:27

What about if you don't want your fb friends knowing you are on Mn as you discuss stuff here that you wouldn't want them to know? Not sure it works like that tbh I don't really know what its about!

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 19:29

Custardo, imagine if you accidentally like a thread you are typing on about your wayward teenager, while your teenager (who shares your computer) hasn't logged out properly Grin.

All of a sudden (and without you realising it), your absolutely recognisable thread about your teenager's wanksock/arrest/nose-picking habit/latest drunken escapade is broadcast all over your teenager's facebook feed.

You would be very popular.

Our bockety shared laptop that we all pop into and out of has a very habit of clicking on links by mistake.

With the process as it now stands, I could accidentally hit it at any time.

At the moment I am deleting cookies/logging out etc frantically. Which is really screwing up my last minute amazon shopping, my email checking, even my online games are losing their "memories" atm.

All because mumsnet can't be bothered to realise that they have made an arse of this.

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 19:29

Custardo - the 'like' discussions were about an internal mn like. This had no discussion as apparently there is no change from how it is now Hmm

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 19:30

Noddy - yes that is the point. It's too easy to accidentally 'bridge the gap' between MN and FB with the Like button.

Especially when it's in its current 'one click and you're stuffed' state.

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:30

noddy, then you wouldnt click on it. they need to sort out the "double click" thing, but once thats done you can choose to use it or not.

and seriously, how many people HAVE clicked it by accident? surely any accidental clicks would have been done by now?

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 19:32

I am being extremely careful not to, but I really have to be careful every time I click on a new post.

I haven't been posting much (and certainly not drinking and posting).

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:32

and seriously, why would anyone purposefully post a thread about their teenagers wank sock or similar onto their FB page? Xmas Grin

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 19:33

ooops, said "and seriously" far too many times.