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TheOriginalFAB · 18/12/2011 18:46

The first objection I'm afraid I can't really buy - Most of the UK population uses Facebook. Most Mumsnetters use facebook. It's a bit mad to object to facebook on principle - it's like objecting to people.

This is just daft and is irrelevant whether you buy it or not. Just because "most of ths population" use FB doesn't mean everyone on MN is going to like it. It is like saying you don't buy that some people won't eat meat as the majority of the population are not vegetarian/vegan. And it is nothing like objecting to people Hmm

The second objection I just think is misguided, as I've explained. Users' privacy is no more compromised by this button than it ever was.

It might not be "no more compromised" than before but the point is it is much more visable now and before people might not have been aware of the link button but now they are and they don't like it.

So should we change something because some people on this thread dislike it even if we think they are mistaken to dislike it? Even though what they are objecting to is already in place?

You may think we are mistaken not to like it but we are part of MN and without posters you just have a website with adverts no one sees. And the fact that it is already in place is not the issue. Before lots of posters weren't aware of it so couldn't object.

I've been doing this long enough to know that new things are never well-received - but it doesn't always mean they are bad.

That comes across as patronising and lots of posters are telling you this is a "bad" idea and lots of people don't like it.

For me this is a huge loss as I feel unable to discuss something I would have appreciated help with and that makes me feel sad. And namechanging doesn't work for me as someone always guesses who I am and outs me.

OP posts:
QuintessentiallyFestive · 19/12/2011 20:14

It is of course sad for us.

But Keeerrrching, not for the founders.

I guess Nestle and Ann Summers, Love Honey, etc will be advertising next.

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 20:16

They both 'share' the link to fb Sisters

CalatalieSisters · 19/12/2011 20:16

I'm sure the difference must be in the appeal to advertisers. Surely advertisers want to get Mumsnetters liking their stuff to Facebook, and so want MN to have this functionality?

CrispLeCrisp · 19/12/2011 20:17

There is still no internal mn like button. Which actually I would quite like on this thread (and have never been opposed to)

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 20:18

"So is this right. If someone posts a like link to FB teh whole thread is on FB all the posts even from people who don't want their opinions aired on another internet forum?"

The link to the entire thread is posted on the FB wall of the person who clicked Like. (Not the FBs of everyone who contributed to the thread).

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 20:18

But if, as they insist, it has always been there, then why change it and make it compulsory Confused.

I don't get it.

Unless there is a specific reason that it must be available to all users on every thread (for some financial reason).

I dunno.

Mumsnet gives a surprising amount of customisation to its users. This seems to be a fundamental change to implement with absolute inflexibility. I don't understand it (conspiracy theories lurk).

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 20:20

And in being posted to their Wall, a message is sent to the feeds of all their FB friends saying:

'X Liked the thread 'I love bumsex' (for example) on Mumsnet'

noddyholder · 19/12/2011 20:21

Ah ok. I personally don't see the need for a link at all. If I wanted my opinions all over FB I would post them there but I don't and don't think someone else should be able to decide they do! I think it would make me think twice about what I say. FB is so low rent too not very MN at all Wink

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 20:25

That's it in a nutshell.

There is no need for a link, except presumably to post mumsnet threads all over Facebook, in the hope that Facebook users will follow those links and end up over here.

Thus increasing traffic, increasing revenue.

There is no benefit whatsoever to current users, but it will bring in new users. I hope they have a nice time over here.

Osmiornica · 19/12/2011 20:28

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Anonymousbosh · 19/12/2011 20:28

'As for the problem of people finding that pressing the 'Like' button posts the thread to the FB walls of other people in their family, that's something that can be solved by making sure anyone using FB on a shared computer logs out of FB before someone else uses the computer. They'll also need to disable their cookies, which everyone using a shared computer should be doing really, to safeguard themselves and each other.'

I think you'll find, that if people have to fully log out of FB before feeling safe to come on MN and post then the traffic will be greatly reduced to one or other site. I flick between the two, constantly, when I am online, no WAY I could be bothered to log out of one to use the other every time!

Anonymousbosh · 19/12/2011 20:36

but I can see how having to do so would make my life easier Xmas Hmm

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 20:39

but you dont actually have to use it.

although, I absolutely agree that it shouldnt be on the bereavement, relationships, SN or miscarriage boards. not cool at all.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 21:07

But it is completely in your face. That's what I don't like. That and the count of how many times a thread has been posted on FB.

MNHQ
Tech · 19/12/2011 21:09

Hi C-Sisters, just fyi, fb has announced its intention to phase out the older "share" buttons in favour of like buttons. I'm not sure why they have done that really - often I want to share something I don't particularly like, but want to draw friends' attention to (like a news story or similar.) But done it they have.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 21:13

And as it is a Facebook button, not a mumsnet button, you have no control of how they use it and what it does.

Disingenuous again Hmm.

I can't understand mumnset wanting a button on every page where they have no knowledge or control of what the button does Shock. It seems most odd to me.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 21:15

Can we have a new button that says "Do Not Click Me" which then goes through to show a count of how many people have clicked it? [hopeful]

MNHQ
Tech · 19/12/2011 21:16

We do know what it does. We control what information it sends to facebook. We just don't have any ability to get any extra information beyond that from them. And they don't have any ability to get any more information from us.

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 21:16

"but you dont actually have to use it."

Aaargh. I have no intention of intentionally using it, ever. It's the possibility of accidental usage that is the problem, for me anyway.

And given the lack of understanding of the issues involved displayed on this and other related threads, I don't think I'd be unreasonable to be worried on other people's behalf.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 21:19

Yes, but yesterday you (or someone) didn't actually know how it worked.

Because we were told that if you cancelled it, it cancelled. Which it doesn't. And we were being told it is a two step process, which it isn't. And we were told that if you didn't confirm that you wanted to "post" it it wouldn't post. Which was also wrong.

Either you don't know exactly how it works, or someone was giving the wrong information Hmm. Either way, it strikes me as being a bit odd.

LissTheSeasonLouBeJollie · 19/12/2011 21:29

Aaargh. I have no intention of intentionally using it, ever. It's the possibility of accidental usage that is the problem, for me anyway.

but, and im repeating myself here, once the glitches are ironed out you should be able to confirm that you want to like the thread. noone has accidentally used it yet, in its first days, before everyone has got used to it, noone has posted a thread about wank socks or bum sex, or what an utter twat their mil/dh/dc's are in error.

it just seems paranoid imo

BobbinRobin · 19/12/2011 21:32

"noone has posted a thread about wank socks or bum sex, or what an utter twat their mil/dh/dc's are in error."

How do you know?

MNHQ
Tech · 19/12/2011 21:32

Yes, some of the people at MNHQ misunderstood how the button worked and gave some wrong information. But that's all. We really haven't been trying to mislead. If we had, we wouldn't be able to do so for long. How these things work is published information and easily verified. If we were telling untruths we'd be found out very quickly.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 19/12/2011 21:33

Be careful who you point the finger at or you may find a large padlock on the outside of your shed door.

IAmFuckingPissedOff · 19/12/2011 21:35

Is there a bit of a lack of communication between Tech's shed and Olivia's cupboard?

They really need some sort of bomb-proof underground tunnel, don't they, so neither ever need see the light of day Grin.

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