DBF banning thread, part 2.

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OCCUPY MUMSNET continues......

Justine, that was a little topical joke, please don't ban me!

I agree with you Katie. I'm going to take a break for a while and see how I get on in real life for a bit, I think. This is all very unpleasant.

I think it's a disgrace that this is being discussed and DBF can't view it or put across her side of the story.

You can't kick the dog house, Custardo. You'll have dog house welfare onto you

If you were a pub landlord and one regular was scaring punters away by constantly verbally attacking them despite repeated warnings not to, you'd ban them, right?

MN is a business in the same way. It needs to be welcoming to the maximum amount of people. That is not a criticism, just the reality of MNHQ's stance.

Have a bit of respect for the rules of the establishment and for one another and we can all have a decent discussion, a snakebite and black and a lock-in if we're lucky.

Katie
Most of us "slagging" DBF have expressed our sadness at the banning. I really like her, I love her posts off the Doghouse topic. I am not attacking DBF, in the same way that I don't call my child naughty, but his behaviour naughty.

But there cannot be a rule for her and a rule for the rest of MN.

We keep asking MNHQ to be more consistent, to ban those who are overly aggressive and when they do we wail that we didn't mean that overly aggressive poster, we meant the ones we don't like.

DBF knew that MNHQ had a problem with the tone of her posts and was unable to rein herself in. So, as I said, perhaps it is not the place for her. Perhaps she would be better on a forum with other rescuers.

i imagine she is putting her side of it across elsewhere, say on Facebook, isn't she? Nothing to stop a relay of information.

NCDHL
RSPCDH

i think we need to take things as a whole and in light of the last fw posts i suggest
RSPB

WTF? I go off and do real life for one night and this is what happens?

Can we stop painting the feminists as being unreasonable fascists who object to a different point of view please? it's starting to get a bit old, now. we don't want those with an opposing opinion banned. we want those who post inflammatory posts dealt with. You may have dealt with edd eventually, but even after rape threats, he was allowed to stand. i don't mind debating rape myths a million times over, but i object to having women told they're lying in the one section where we practice the "i believe you" motto. we object to women being told stranger rape is more traumatic than date rape. and we object to being insulted by trolls, regulars and even mnhq. I could go on all day, but i won't...

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I agree with Reality.

Part of the problem is that a lot of people are glad to have a strong vocal person to state the case for the less vocal majority, so you do get a lot of, "OO wait till so and so sees that." So and so then has a rep to live up to..and so it goes, round and round.

DBF has typed an open letter to MNHQ on her FB page. I shall ask if I can post it here for you all to read.

I think some of the 'accusations' being made about the Doghouse are ridiculous and untrue. I've never seen anyone say that it's bad to get a puppy. They may have said that if you want to get a puppy then you should approach a reputable breeder or a good rescue (together with advice on where to look), or even suggested that an adult dog might be better suited to someone's particular circumstances. And that is all sensible advice.

I've seen a lot of support and advice and practical help offered to people having difficulties - even, in the case of the thread that triggered all this, to people who had got themselves into an entirely predictable mess by ignoring the good advice they were previously given. TLES was still being offered help right up to the end. If she was to approach DBF even now, after all this, I have no doubt at all that she'd still do what she could to help that poor dog.

And none of that is negated by pointing out to a back-yard breeder that their actions have consequences that they might want to think about (i.e. the now infamous 'whelping thread'). Maybe that was a shock if they were expecting fluffy excited 'ooh lovely puppies' type posts. But in that case they were most definitely in the wrong place.

In fact I strongly suspect that person came on here to advertise the pups (despite the 'homes' already supposedly lined up for them, which no doubt would have conveniently fallen through, these people always have some kind of cover story), hence their prompt disappearance when it turned out they weren't going to get many customers here.

I truly hope DBF has not been banned.

I agree with Reality.
I do think the fact it was TLES thread that kicked all this off has confused the issue somewhat.

ooh, moderator jobs...

Miss, miss, pick me, pick me!

I still don't really know what to say.

I used to post alot in the Doghouse, I stopped because I found it increasingly difficult to hold my toungue.

I watched DBF and Scuttlebutter dispense the same calm, measured advice over and over again and wondered how on earth they did it.

Nothing drives me to the same incensed rage as some of the total wank twattery posted by some mumsnetters over dogs. I just couldn't do it anymore, personal attacks? I wanted to scream at people until their ears bled.

So I stopped posting knowing there were others who could do it way, way better, I share DBF's passion and commitment, but not her tolerence and reason.

I see far more vitriol and poison spouted all over other topics, constantly passing unjudged, yet you choose to ban DBF.

Mumsnet has a reputation for dog hating, so maybe I shouldn't be so shocked, this is just a natural progression.

I can think of no other response but a long holiday away, this isn't somewhere I want to be any more, you have lost a very valuable contributor (DBF not me) and I really hope you choose to reinstate her.

"But in that case they were most definitely in the wrong place."

this is the wrong place for a lot of fluffy bunny opinion, but we still have to stick by the rules.

Seriously Capt? I'm trying to think of the hourly minimum that it would take to get me to do that job.

Perhaps £50 per hour plus danger money. Time and a half for active firefighting.

"I've never seen anyone say that it's bad to get a puppy."

Perhaps not directly but the constant barrage of "this is why you should get a rescue dog" posts, which were often aggressive, makes it clear that if you dare to want a puppy of a particular breed you are a lesser person, bordering on evil.

"And none of that is negated by pointing out to a back-yard breeder that their actions have consequences that they might want to think about (i.e. the now infamous 'whelping thread'). Maybe that was a shock if they were expecting fluffy excited 'ooh lovely puppies' type posts. But in that case they were most definitely in the wrong place."

Its pretty shit to make those kind of comments to someone who has a pregnant dog and homes for all the puppies. What was the OP meant to do, abort the puppies? If a topic called The Dog House is not the right place to post about your excitement at your dog having puppies and asking for help, where the fuck is?

I think one of the problems with MN at the minute is that there is a perceived inconsistency - MN is supposed to be a helpful place for parents but there are inconsistencies in how that is applied - not just in the doghouse and feminism, but AIBU, BF/FF - actually right across the boards.

And that inconsistency is what leaves the worst taste in my mouth.

If you don't post it Pinot could you PM it to me please.