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Am I the only one to be a bit sad that Mumsnet have caved in?

221 replies

oliveoil · 25/08/2005 14:56

Don't know, just feel a bit that some people felt it necessary to report mumsnet to a baby milk board or whatever it is for a so called breach of advertising. If you use and love a website why on earth would you want to get them into trouble?

Hmmmmm. I bet they feel like they have been beaten up this week. Storm in a teacup.

V weird.

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giraffeski · 25/08/2005 17:13

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Chandra · 25/08/2005 17:25

Nope, not the companies, but definitively we would have more informed medical professionists/research outcome if they were not susceptible to be shot down in flames if they say that certain formula has a good element in it.

It is almost imposible to find published research freely available in the internet, when for any other health problems you will, in months and months of searching what could be causing DS's problems I only managed to get my hands in a research report form a French university. But what if you don't speak french?, what if you don't know how to read academic papers?, what if you don't have internet access? what if you don't know that your baby can be better by being under a different formula? Sadly, in most cases, you and your baby are left on your own, as if you have done something terrible and deserve to pay for it, and in some cases that means months of suffering for a baby and his family.

Cam · 25/08/2005 18:12

giraffeski are you milkymouth?

batters · 25/08/2005 18:50

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WigWamBam · 25/08/2005 18:53

I doubt very much she's giraffeski, cam. Not her style.

niceglasses · 25/08/2005 18:58

I haven't said owt about all this over the last couple of days..just sorta watched. Think I'm broadly with OO......just don't get it...all the fuss I mean. I don't take much notice of advertising and a milk advert would never make me change my mind about either breastfeeding or if I bottlefed, don't think it would make me change a brand. Think most of us make our own minds up......low bfding uptake goes much much deeper than advertising and MN have to have ad revenue..........

Blu · 25/08/2005 19:00

No Milkymouth and gireffski both replied to a q on another thread - that's the reason Gireffski posts that she reported milupa, not MN, to the babymilk group - she thought she was being put in the frame for reporting MN because of confusion on other thread.

giraffeski · 25/08/2005 19:55

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Cam · 25/08/2005 21:06

sorry, g, I'm trying to keep up!

MaloryTowers · 25/08/2005 21:23

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HughJarse · 25/08/2005 21:44

Soupy - I always wondered who HughJars was.

You've spelt it wrong though.

tigermoth · 26/08/2005 08:09

OO you are a brave woman - and in many ways I agree with you.

Yesterday, reading threads, I was getting cross that many people were making the cosy assumption that mumsnet could happily survive without Milupa's payment. How did anyone actually know that? It could have been a make or break situation. Even if there was not a financial crisis looming in the background, perhaps there was a more personal crisis looming. Running mumsnet must take up huge amounts of time - perhaps the team had reached a point where they simply couldn't continue taking that time away from their own children and partners unless they got properly paid for it. Mumsnet is not a charity, is it?

It's all very well people beating their chests and reporting mumnset, but we don't have to pay the bills, or work for well under market rates.

How many of the hardcore anti Milupa advertising group were prepared to see mumsnet cease to exist? I did ask this question on another thread yesterday and not one person answered that question, AFAIK, apart from Enid.

No special needs threads, no allergy threads, no education threads, no teenager threads - all that support and expertise no longer there. Of course breast and bottle feeding is a very important and emotive issue, but huge numbers of mumsnet users have passed that stage in their lives. Of course people still care about it, but it is one stage out of many you go through as a parent.

I am not happy that mears and tiktok and others felt they had to leave and understand why they did this. I do think mumsnet was wrong to take milupa advertising in the format it chose. But amongst all the talking about the advert's legality and the reporting of the mumsnet/milupa ad, it seemed there was this cosy assumption that minus the ad and that revenue, mumsnet could carry on regardless.

As I see, this very luckily seems to be the case - but that's not thanks to yesterday's activities.

giraffeski · 26/08/2005 10:24

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Enid · 26/08/2005 10:28

I love mumsnet

it is my life

but I am delighted they have 'caved in' and as I have said before I think it was a pretty silly decision in the first place.

edam · 26/08/2005 10:34

Not sure 'caved in' is the right term. Listened to everything their members have said and acted on it? Sensibly to protect the site? They were sailing pretty close to the wind in terms of the code. And it wasn't just members who were bringing it to attention, groups that monitor abuses of the code had picked it up too.

The reason MN attracted Milupa is that it is a pretty 'sticky' site. It's a community of people who are very engaged with the site. Doing something that divides that community and creates an ethical issue for some of the most valuable members (in terms of knowledge and support for vulnerable women given for free) was a bit daft, to put it very politely.

Enid · 26/08/2005 10:35

your posts have been brilliant on this issue edam

edam · 26/08/2005 10:37

Why, thank you kindly ma'am. Glad I'm being sensible about something, had to confess to a pretty daft post on another thread last night!

Enid · 26/08/2005 10:38

ha ha

where

edam · 26/08/2005 10:38

Oops, meant to say, your posts have been enlightening and to the point too.

edam · 26/08/2005 10:39

Nah, enjoying the compliment too much to spoil it!

Enid · 26/08/2005 10:39

you know I'll find it

madmarchhare · 26/08/2005 10:40

Not read the whole thread , so sorry if this has been gone over. But, do you not think that it was partly to do with the fact that they have been outed elsewhere and not just down to its members? The day before yesterday they said they were keeping it and then suddenly.....

Blu · 26/08/2005 10:40

I don't think MN caved in - I think they are intelligent people quite capable of re-viewing a decision and making up their own minds about what is best for their site.

I wish more organisations would review decisions in the light of experience or listening to other voices and not take entrenched poitions all the time.

Review and adjust is a VERY strong management process.

madmarchhare · 26/08/2005 10:42

I would also like to add that during all this debate I have learned a lot about issues that I thought werent really that big of a deal. I will not go all mushy but just a quick 'Yey' for all of you that have enlightened me.

Enid · 26/08/2005 10:43

edam was it about bunnies

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