Teacher muttered "fuck off" to yr7 pupil

[Cornishbelle]

So my son age 12 had a supply teacher today for one of his classes. Ds went to the loo and when he got back noticed his rucksack was open and someone had nicked his water bottle.

Realising it was his mate on the row behind, he was trying to get it back, supply teacher noticed him talking and was warned if he saw ds talking again he would get a detention

End of class ds approached teacher and asked if he had a detention (he's very worried about this as not had one yet) - teacher waved his hand and muttered "just fuck off "

What do I do if anything? Maybe his patience was tested but seems very bizarre.

I don't quit because besides all that, I love my job. The kids who don't behave like that make it all worth it. They're amazing and I want to help and support them. It's an incredibly deprived area and the kids need all the support they can get.

And if we all quit, who would be left?

Was it said in irritation or as a sort of no, you're alright , no detention. with a wave and fuck off. Still unprofessional but made laugh.

Who do you suggest does do it?

Oh good grief

Exactly this …and some ppl want the poor bloke hung drawn and quartered ffs

Don’t you sometimes wish you could say this to people - obviously not to a year 7

That's fine but you know the deal. You know how much crap you have to deal with . So that's the job.

It doesn't matter if there's no one left it doesn't mean you have to do it

Agree.

Doubt the prison guard is told its their fault when abused and assaulted!

@ageratum1 you're right, needing a pee (avoiding break and lunch when full of vaping kids and people trying to kick cubicles in) then wanting his own belongings back, he's one step from Borstall lol

Teacher will deny it but definitely let the school know. I doubt very much this will be their first incident.

There is no world in which teachers don't know that is utterly unacceptable. These things are really well drummed into you during training.

@DoreenonTill8 what measures do the school take with violent pupils at your school? It must be so scary I do feel for all school staff going through this

This is exactly what I thought of too 🤣

What the teacher did was wrong but the lesson I’d be teaching my child in those circumstances is that A) it’s poor behaviour, but everyone makes mistakes/has off days. B) not every mistake needs a big song and dance

@L4815162342 that sounds fucking awful, no wonder teachers are leaving in droves

Contact the school and see if you can get him sacked.

Usually we think it and not say it.

You don't do anything except support your son.

You'll look like a dick and troublemaker of you start bleating about a nothing situation and will set a shitty example to your son.

Im not a teacher but i did tell a bunch of kids y7 y8s to fuck right off the other day.

@anotherside yes thank you this is the tact I plan to take. As I've said earlier in the thread, he's very conscientious and sometimes this shows in the way he takes things to heart a lot of other kids wouldn't give a second thought. I have seen a change in him the last six months though, I hope it is just natural development and not as a result of the crap he's dealing with everyday at school. I don't expect it to be all unicorns and rainbows but some of the things I hear make me wonder what sort of place we've sent him to. This is an ok area, "good" school that makes all the right noises too, I dread to think how things are in schools that are openly saying they have issues 😔

Why?

I agree, I've explained to him it's not nice to be spoken to like that in jest or not - you expect this from your peers not a grown adult - but to also learn from it, ie don't leave your stuff within grabbing distance, and save sorting it out to end of class of need be.

He's told me tonight one of the other teachers is online friends with another yr7, that's weird too isn't it and I would think safeguarding concern? Or am I completely wide of the mark with all this? Thought having been to secondary myself could at least given some advice but seems I'm well out of it, it's not like I'm ancient either!

I'm not sure what schools are like where you are but this would NOT be testing my patience enough to swear 😂. Its quite bizarre.

What do you mean online friends? That is a HUGE concern and should be reported.

All secondary schools expose year 7s to bad behaviour, even the good ones.

At primary although you do get violence and swearing etc it doesn't generally impact the kids quite as much. I'm not really sure why. In ks1 although hitting and pushing are quite common they're worked on through kind hands etc and there's often some level of TA support.

By mid primary most kids aren't violent and tend to be fairly compliant, or at least compliant in a way a bunch of teenagers are not. They'll talk and be chatty and annoying but rarely deliberately bait or hurt the teacher.

Big groups of teenage boys can be a big problem though and most teens go through a stage where they really don't give a shit what the adults around them want, they care about their peers. Any year 7 is going to be intimidated by big year 11 lads - hell, they're taller and larger than most adults.

All secondaries have kids who vape and nearly all of them will have kids on drugs. Yes even the good ones.

What the good schools do is keep the pack mentality in check and stop it spreading too much across the school. In the bad schools that pack mentality rules - the big group of year 9 boys playing "let's all sit on Freddie" won't stop if a teacher tells them too.