Teacher muttered "fuck off" to yr7 pupil

[Cornishbelle]

So my son age 12 had a supply teacher today for one of his classes. Ds went to the loo and when he got back noticed his rucksack was open and someone had nicked his water bottle.

Realising it was his mate on the row behind, he was trying to get it back, supply teacher noticed him talking and was warned if he saw ds talking again he would get a detention

End of class ds approached teacher and asked if he had a detention (he's very worried about this as not had one yet) - teacher waved his hand and muttered "just fuck off "

What do I do if anything? Maybe his patience was tested but seems very bizarre.

What's 'lol' about that sort of behaviour?!

If not perfect but I know I couldn't handle working with teenagers. So I don't

Well 40,000 teachers decided last year that they didn't want to either. When people say to/about teachers 'Well, they shouldn't be in teaching then, should they?', they should remember that there already aren't enougb teachers, or enough people training to be teachers. That's why so many kids have cover supervisors!

Where are the same sanctions for pupils though? In the past three months I've been threatened with scissors, attacked by one child, hit by another and called a fucking bitch and a dumbass. No action taken. We've had two members of staff need a hospital visit in the same three month period due to sustaining physical injuries from children. Only one of those was suspended - out of all of those incidents.

We're expected to 'just get over it'. In no other work place would you be expected to 'just get over' any of the above but school staff are fair Game.

And?

You want to damage his career for what end goal?

He swore big fucking deal.

Then don't do the job

I say that having dealt with something very similar where a supply teacher had behaved very unprofessionally in a lesson. Two students came to tell me at the end of the lesson. We took advice, interviewed the teacher and asked him to leave afterwards and return to the agency- who we made aware- while we gathered evidence from individual students. It was clear he had done as was alleged- swearing, speaking about his drinking habits. He then changed his story and admitted it to the agency. He was sacked and reported to GTC as it was called and faced a formal disciplinary. Other issues came to light and he was banned from teaching for a period of time.
This may not be a one-off today- you don't know. It could be a piece in a much bigger picture. If it is true it is serious and should be reported to and treated seriously by the school and the agency.

Totally agree. I work in a really tough secondary school and we would take a tough stance on this too. Ultimately, the teacher is an adult and should be able to behave professionally.

I wrote lol

Because the idea that teachers swearing is where teens learn a lack of respect and manners is absolutely laughable.

Most teachers never swear.

A few do.

Nearly all teens swear regularly and virtually all of them go through a stage where they show a lack of respect a manners. They don't get that from teachers.

As a teacher I learnt many inventive ways of insulting someone from my year 9 and year 10 groups. Wasn't me teaching them appalling language it was them teaching me.

And? That's not the issue for the individual is it. No need for anyone to martyr themselves if they can't handle the job and there's no one to do the job then maybe just maybe they'll change the job

I used to be a cover teacher who would often have year 7s. I can understand the teacher's pain. 🤣

Me too 🤣

Nope you should quit and find a job where your life isn't in danger. Prison guards are probably better protected than you

None of that justifies teachers swearing or behaving unprofessionally. All of that behaviour should be dealt with by a school.

I'm afraid it's going to be the case that more and more cover supervisors are put in charge of full classes. They are not of course held to the same professional standards as teachers but that doesn't justify swearing.

And? That's not the issue for the individual is it. No need for anyone to martyr themselves if they can't handle the job and there's no one to do the job then maybe just maybe they'll change the job

Well I'm not that interested in that individual teacher. Maybe they were at the absolute end of their tether due to a truly awful day. Maybe they've got really bad things going on at home. In which case maybe it was a total and utter one-off, so maybe they shouldn't quit teaching. Or maybe they are just unprofessional. Who knows? I care more about the big picture.

Also, what do you mean by 'They'll change the job?' What - make the job better because an individual teacher leaves and nobody wants to replace them? Ha! That's happening everywhere all the time. Nobody seems very interested in changing the job though.

When all that's left is un qualified teachers they'll do something like make it remote so kids can't stab them.

All of that behaviour should be dealt with by a school.

Yes. But there is a limit to what schools can actually do about persistently bad behaviour. What would you do about it?

Exactly this ffs what is wrong with ppl

And yet your answer is to get rid of the teacher, not to solve the root cause of the issue.

But TBH, if the behaviour of the pupil's is that bad the cover teacher will refuse to go back.

I didn't say get rid. I said a disciplinary meeting and the teacher can reconsider their career choice

Why?

I didn't say get rid. I said a disciplinary meeting and the teacher can reconsider their career choice

I doubt cover supervisor was their career choice! Besides, surely a cover supervisor isn't going to hang around to go through disciplinary meetings? I expect there are loads of other schools desperate to give him work.

English is not my first language, but I interpreted his comment as:

"You're off the hook this time, just get out of here"

PS: especially, accompanied with the waving hand you described

H doesn't sound d well behaved.First going to the toilet during the lesson, and then turning round to talk to the row behind.He sounds a complete PITA!