Teacher muttered "fuck off" to yr7 pupil

[Cornishbelle]

So my son age 12 had a supply teacher today for one of his classes. Ds went to the loo and when he got back noticed his rucksack was open and someone had nicked his water bottle.

Realising it was his mate on the row behind, he was trying to get it back, supply teacher noticed him talking and was warned if he saw ds talking again he would get a detention

End of class ds approached teacher and asked if he had a detention (he's very worried about this as not had one yet) - teacher waved his hand and muttered "just fuck off "

What do I do if anything? Maybe his patience was tested but seems very bizarre.

What an odd post.

Lol I’m a teacher, yep very unprofessional but also secretly hilarious , if only I could say what’s on my mind haha! Sorry had to giggle!

Is this all you have to think about?

Maybe your son was messing about in class, maybe the teach had had enough and won’t be back any way. Says more about your sons class than the teacher.

He's human. We all have moments and if he is a good teacher tbh I'd let this slide. My old teacher used to throw haggy sacks at us if we were dicks but he was brilliant and we loved him 😂. Pre ofsted days of course..,!

Talking about cats, during lockdown I was teaching an online lesson, my cat came onto screen and randomly bit me and I swore, ouch fucking cat, years 11’s were in hysterics!

He got away without his detention. If I was your son I’d be high fiving the teacher!

I'm surprised at the replies here.

I think it's awful behaviour from the teacher, not funny. Some DC would be understandably upset at being told to f off by a teacher. Sounds like your child did nothing wrong and sounds like they are generally a rule-follower. Some DC are nervous about dentention and do look up to their teachers and consider them to be the voice of authority. I don't think a complaint will be worthwhile to be honest it'll be more trouble than it's worth but I think it's shocking really.

Teachers and especially senior school teachers are under immense stress and pressure every day with unruly, rude teenagers who they are basically not allowed to punish anymore. Give him a break.

Edited to add: Also supply teachers get even less respect than their usual teachers. They know they may not see them again and play up even more.

So just to clear things up, no-one this end is distraught or wanting to try and ruin a teachers career here! My son had the same ? look when it happened he said as when he told me. No, it's certainly not the first time he's heard swearing 🙄

Interested in the pp who said unlikely to be a supply teacher, more a cover supervisor. Sorry for my ignorance but what is the difference and what made you feel that? I don't know which it is ds had never met the person before today

Also the person who said ds must be mistaken or lying, I don't think he could be really, seems no point making something like this up to tell me unless it led to a detention which it didn't

I'm obviously not that impressed, but as someone said upthread about teaching yr7, I'm not a teacher and tbh think anyone that us deserves a medal! I suppose it made me wonder if the guy was struggling mentally and something happened this would have been a warning sign. If it's a case of it being something a lot of teachers think most days I guess it just slipped out!
I explained to ds when he told me it was probably the teachers way of saying just forget it but to make him think before he gets chatty again in class.

As for Tony Mammoth, I had to Google, looks funny 😁

Jesus Christ the way some teachers talk about children on here and then wonder why they don't get respect! Model the behaviour you want people!

However I couldn't get worked up about this and would save a complaint for the inevitable thing that really needed it. If ds is really upset, convince him he must've misheard/at least didn't get detention.

Interested in the pp who said unlikely to be a supply teacher, more a cover supervisor. Sorry for my ignorance but what is the difference and what made you feel that?

Cover supervisors don't have to be qualified teachers, they're just people hired to supervise kids do worksheets.

But children who are well-behaved and obedient shouldn't bear the brunt of a teacher's frustrations. The OP's son was simply asking 'do I have a detention?' and got told to f off. That's really not on, and could stop a nervous child from ever asking a question again! It also sets a poor example to a child. I mean if the teachers are effing and jeffing then the kids aren't going to respect them.

Assuming he hasn't been given a detention AND told to ff off I'd let it slide.

One of DD's class is a complete chatterbox and never shuts up. He was told he'd be the first person to be lined up and shot in a concentration camp in a history lesson for being bleddy irritating.

Said in a joking fashion but if I had to choose between unprofessional the latter would get me more worked up. Just inappropriate to use that as a joke.

You don't remotely need to have taught yr 7 as a supply to know the critical difference between thinking 'fuck off' and saying 'fuck off' to a pupil.

Did he get his bottle back..?

You're going to get a load of teachers and TAs excusing it or saying it's fuss about nothing but if I swore in my office at a colleague or client I would be given a disciplinary meeting. I would expect the same professional standard of a teacher

If they can't handle the job without swearing at kids they shouldn't be doing it

To be fair, he's only just thawed out from 1970 - that's what they were like then 🤷🏼‍♀️

Surely it’s all in the tone. Whilst unprofessional, if it was said with a smile as if… “ it’s your lucky day, I’m not going to give you a detention “ then I’d think he was just a bit eccentric.

@GoodVibesHere thanks you've hit the nail on the head really. Ds is super conciencious and would have been very worried about the potential of a detention (I've tried to encourage him to chill out a bit tbh)

I'm hoping it won't dent his confidence too much. He's found the move to secondary a massive shock like I'm sure most do and it's sad to see him having issues like this - he was purely wanting to know and probably felt bad enough already

The teacher? No they sound completely incapable of handling the pressure and should frankly reconsider their career choice.

Well I think this is appalling language spoken by a Teacher and probably explains why a lot of our youth today show no respect or manners! However, I'm more astounded at the replies from others on here downplaying it. If the parents of today feel it doesn't matter what hope is there for a respectful and civilised society.

Why on earth would it be a cover supervisor rather than supply?! I've worked with many supply OP. Some were great but some were truly vile and we never had them back at the school again. Unfortunately the teaching crisis is very real where I live and schools in my area have been scrabbing about for anyone with a pulse to stand in a room. Doesn't affect me anymore as I've just left teaching.

This. I wouldn't speak to my own children like this and certainly wouldn't expect someone paid to educate them to either.

I should add that if I swore at a colleague in a professional environment in a similar context, I would get hauled over the coals. Why is this any different?