Teacher muttered "fuck off" to yr7 pupil

[Cornishbelle]

So my son age 12 had a supply teacher today for one of his classes. Ds went to the loo and when he got back noticed his rucksack was open and someone had nicked his water bottle.

Realising it was his mate on the row behind, he was trying to get it back, supply teacher noticed him talking and was warned if he saw ds talking again he would get a detention

End of class ds approached teacher and asked if he had a detention (he's very worried about this as not had one yet) - teacher waved his hand and muttered "just fuck off "

What do I do if anything? Maybe his patience was tested but seems very bizarre.

@Scarletttulips oh ok, I wonder how you would take it if another adult told your child to fuck off? Yes, plenty of other stuff to thunk about thanks 🙄

This, cover supervisors do not have to have a teaching qualification, probably don't have behaviour management training and can be supply so may have never even worked in that school before. Which can make things difficult for them as each school tends to have different systems on reporting behaviour.

But kids also tend to try and walk over these members of staff and you couldn't pay me to do this job. It's not professional to swear, but in all the jobs I've done, I've honestly hurd the worst swearing in schools then anywhere else. Although it's normally the students doing the swearing not the staff.

I have no doubt that one of the reasons that this teacher does supply is because of the pressure that teachers in schools are under.
And because they can walk away from it all at the end of the day.

Lol at the misbehaving cats kids will remember that for years 🤣

Then if they can't even handle it when they can walk away from it they shouldn't be doing it!

If he can or cannot handle the pressure I guess depends. If it's a one off slip of the tongue after a long day or if he's constantly shouting fuck off you little shits.

Or alternatively the schools could have more robust polices regarding pupil's behaviour and support the teachers in the first place.

Doesn't matter. No teacher should be swearing at a child.

The teacher wasn't swearing at the child though.

It's likely that your DS had actually behaved in such a way to get a detention.

If student takes another students stuff, then all the talking etc to try to get it back gets the kid in trouble (which is why they do it).

In my classroom I get the kid to tell me immediately and I explain that if it's not back within 5 minutes I'll be shouting at them until it is. That usually sorts it.

So in future your DS should tell the teacher straight away not try to negotiate for it back because he'll break multiple not talking rules.

The teacher almost certainly meant oh you should have a detention but I can't be bothered to put it on the system so just go away and we'll pretend it didn't happen.

As a teacher btw kids coming up to me after the lesson to ask whether they have a detention is really annoying. If I've given one out I have told them loudly to their face. What they usually mean is I know you've given me one but have you changed your mind?

And yeah he shouldn't swear around the students but it happens and it sounds like your DS was contributing to problems controlling the class.

I'd imagine the class were being shits and your DS was disrupting the class.

Not the end of the world.

Nope. You apply to do a job you do the job professionally.

Cover teaching is tough, and a supply teacher or cover supervisor will not necessarily be as fussed about keeping their cool, remaining professional or investing effort in maintaining a good manner with kids whom they might never see again. Schools are so desperate for a warm body to put in front of the class that a cover supervisor would have to do worse than swear under their breath in order not to be invited back.

Well I think this is appalling language spoken by a Teacher and probably explains why a lot of our youth today show no respect or manners!

No, it doesn't explain that at all. You think kids learn disrespect and poor manners from their teachers? I assure you that kids arrive at schools already well-versed in this behaviour, thanks to what they see and hear at home. Teachers put up with disruption, violence and abusive language in schools across the countryvevery day, whereas I'm pretty sure teachers swearing at pupils is unusual.

I once called a student a stank. It was an accident and just slipped out.

She came up from behind, calling my name, and when I turned around, she squashed an empty banana skin into my hand.

I shouted, "You sank!" It was totally automatic in response. Luckily her and her friend were laughing and didn't catch what I'd said. That was a sticky moment. Primary school, too!

Yesterday, a 6 year old called me a fucking bitch. That was new for me!

At secondary, I once had a teacher who referred to us all as pond life and another teacher that called us "fuck ..." something. Can't quite remember what. She was vile and always used to turn up half an hour late, too.

So he is responsible for his actions but the pupil is not?

Easy to see why there is a recruitment and retention crisis in teaching.

I guess you're totally perfect @crumbpet but in my opinion people can sometimes make mistakes.

I'm a teacher and I think this is appalling. I would speak to the school and let them know-there is no way they would let this lie. Good supply teachers are very thin on the ground at the minute and we have had some shockers sent by the agency. At least 2 have been asked to leave for swearing or inappropriate language. Unfortunately the situation is only going to get worse.

He got away without a detention …stop over reacting the child has probably heard worse at home …unprofessional I admit but ………come on

I didn't say the pupil wasn't an issue. I'm just fed up with "teaching is sooooo tough" being an excuse to justify poor behaviour

Or alternatively the schools could have more robust polices regarding pupil's behaviour and support the teachers in the first place.

It's not a case of either or. Yes, the school should (and maybe does) have robust policies, but the teacher should be able to manage not to swear at students anyway. Incidentally, policies can't actually prevent bad behaviour, they just tell you what to do after it happens.

If not perfect but I know I couldn't handle working with teenagers. So I don't

lol if you think this is appealing language you should meet bottom set year 9 on a Friday afternoon.

I have learnt so many creative ways to use language from teenagers!

Nope. You apply to do a job you do the job professionally.

Ideally, yes. But please tell me a job where absolutely all the people who do it are perfectly professional 100% of the time. Especially if it's a job that entails being in charge of a room full of 30 people at a time all day and trying to get them to do stuff which half of them don't want to do.

It's not necessarily that we make a mistake but how we deal with having made it. As a Teacher I'd hope he would have immediately apologised which I assume he didnt. The lack of shame is the worrying part.

And some of those 30 will verbally abuse you and physically attack you.

I can't believe people are saying 'Just get over it', or 'Just forget it'. I would take this really seriously if it was reported to me by a child in a school, so would DH - he's a Secondary Head.
It's a disciplinary matter- supply teacher or school staff. The teacher should be interviewed formally and reported to the agency, evidence collected from the class about the behaviour if the teacher and class during a lesson and a conclusion come to about what should happen. It could go as far as a disciplinary hearing and sanctions. It is unacceptable if it happened.