Parents try to stop children being taught about trans relationships

[julie333]

As far as I know, parents will no longer be allowed to take their children out of Sex Education from 2020.

The subject was debated in the Halls of Westminster yesterday (25 February).

Whatever parents' opinions may be about trangenderism, I do think ultimately it´s the parents who decide what their children should be taught about this matter and not the State.

"The UK Conservative government is set to announce plans for the introduction of lessons on homosexuality and transgenderism for primary school students, despite an official petition against the move, signed by over 100,000.

The Sunday Times reports that the new curriculum has been finalized after a six-month consultation with the Department of Education, and will be rolled out across UK schools starting from the 2020-21 educational year.

It will be taught to pupils from the age of five, and it will be illegal for parents to take their children out of the classroom for the lessons in secondary school, meaning that at least a term’s worth of sex education classes – and likely far more – will be attended by each student."

If you wis to sign the petition against compulsory Sex Education,then here is the link:

Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053

christinarossetti19

Would you really be happy for Mermaids to come in and teach your primary aged child about pink and blue brains? Without being asked for your consent?

Really? Seriously? And do you really think that posters who object are "homophobic"?

I don't actually think education about trans-identities has a place in pre-puberty education. And even then it needs to be very careful. Susie Green and her organisation, very specifically, should not be allowed anywhere near a classroom.

Needsmoresleep

No, I wouldn't be at all happy for Mermaids to go into my children's school, nor any school for that matter. I share your views on Susie Green.

I haven't said that anyone who has posted here is 'homophobic'. What I've said quite clearly is that the agenda driving the petition is largely homophobic (have you read about the parent-led protests outside Parkside school in Birmingham because a gay teacher was teaching about same sex relationships through story books or looked up Dr Katherine Sarah Godfrey-Fawcett?).

It seems to me that she and her supporters are deliberately conflating same sex relationships with trans ideology knowing that in the current climate some people will see trans and not engage with the fact that the proposed RSE curriculum will also cover FGM, sexting, pornography, periods, mental health, domestic abuse etc etc which are important things for children to be educated about.

Have I understood correctly? I think you're allowed to take your kids out of class until they are 15, giving them only one year in school aged 16 that they can decide for themselves.

I don't want to remove my child from a class and undermine his learning and encourage him to doubt and question the teachers aged 5, but given the choice, of they don't follow biology and conflate sex and gender, I will be forced to, fine or not. I will not have my child taught lies and cos science.

Petition is signed and shared.

Its a shitstorm.

Organisations like Stonewall, who only added the "T" in 2015, seem determined to conflate sex and gender. As do those with conservative religious agendas.

Schools are floundering amidst competing advice, some of which seems to disregard basic safeguarding principles. Parents, including those who want their children to be raised to be accepting and tolerant, don't know what to think. Kids are influenced by the internet and by the cool crowd at school. Medics question the safety of the drugs and bemoan the lack of research and the pressures from lobbying groups. Whilst none of the political parties seem willing to allow for a proper debate.

The simple answer then is for schools or parents to hold back. Do not allow your child to receive education on Trans issues until you know who is giving it and what the content is.

Yes, I accept that this has opened the door to religious and socially conservative groups having a rerun of Section 28 debate. But who opened the door?

We're in Scotland so curriculum is different.

I don't object to my kids being told that everyone deserves respect, and that's it's fine to be gay, bi, lesbian, or whatever. That's basic equality stuff. (Although I do know some parents who attend a very strict Protestant church who very much object to that message).

I do very much object to children being told that if you like dolls then you must be a girl and playing football means you're a boy.

So what can a parent do if they want the education about being gay, leaning about fgm etc but not to hear gender identity indoctrination stuff? If we consent to one have we consented to it all?

I would be interested to learn how schools proposed to explore the issue of how children know they have “been born into the wrong body”, because as far as I can see, any such discussion will end up in the reinforcing of age-old gender stereotypes. I don’t see what the trans issue has to do with relationship education.

I would also love to know how schools will discuss homoSEXuality whilst simultaneously wittering on about gender. And how they will marry this with teaching human biology and sex education. And how they will teach this without agreeing with sex stereotyping.

It's a mess.

As far as I can tell schools must publish the content of their SRE curriculum and the parents have a right to challenge it and/or withdraw their DC from those classes. All you need to do is keep an eye on your local schools' policies and keep lines of communication open with your DC (as if!).
Trans issues are and will be discussed at secondary schools. There's no way of preventing your DC from being exposed on some level unless you home educate and keep socially isolated.
I'm a science teacher - it comes up a lot.

Guidance is on gov.uk. Looks sensible to me and a fair cry from the ‘trans lessons’ headlines

Scroll down page here to see: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/relationships-and-sex-education-and-health-education

I have no issue with sexuality in all it's flavours being taught.

I have no issue with sex and relationship education

I have a big issue with out dated gender stereotyping and the transing of vulnerable teens being taught as acceptable. I have a big issue with fetish behaviour being pushed as mainstream to impressionable children.

Not. Right from the first para it talks about LGBT.

The T is different. Probably no one is really sure what the T actually is. The big concern is that some of the current “T” education in schools is confusing, reinforces gender stereotypes, and at its worst encourages children, including those already facing other challenges, to believe “they are in the wrong body”, with a need for early and probably irreversible medical intervention. Plus guidance that suggests that parents are kept in the dark, and a raft of safeguarding issues.

There is no need to conflate gender identity with sexual orientation. They are completely different.

UnderMajor I tend to agree that that is much that is useful and progressive in the proposed curriculum.

It's possible to contact Transgender Trend and ask them to send info packs to a particular school. They won't disclose the name of the person who requested it.

For me, this is a better way forward than trying to prevent children having compulsory education about periods, DV, sexting, mental health, same sex relationships which is what this petition is calling for.

The petition was discusssed yesterday in the Halls of Westminster.

full transcript of the debate here:

www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2019-02-25a.1.0&s=brighton

I'm not sure what you're trying to do OP. On the one hand you say it's bad that children are being taught that trans is normal and something to be accepted. On the other you quote suicide stats that support the argument that trans should be taught as normal and acceptable.

What side of the debate are you on?

Oh yes. Welcome to MN OP....

I’m horrified that people are actually giving children drugs and mutilating their bodies. Frankly it’s abuse.
The backlash from all this in the future is going to be huge.

@Fazackerley

Totally agree.

My daughter is aware of gay relationships. It's just been the norm since she was born. Her auntie is gay. She was a bridesmaid at their wedding.

But with the trans stuff, I'm not comfortable with it. What will they be taught? If it's you can have a female penis I'm out.

This is what the guidance says about trans issues

In primary school, the only bit that might be relevant to "gender" is:

what a stereotype is, and how stereotypes can be unfair, negative
or destructive.

At secondary school, the draft guidance says:

Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about sex, sexuality, sexual
health and gender identity in an age-appropriate and inclusive way. All pupils
should feel that the content is relevant to them and their developing sexuality.
Sexual orientation and gender identity should be explored at a timely point and
in a clear, sensitive and respectful manner. When teaching about these topics,
it must be recognised that young people may be discovering or coming to terms
with their sexual orientation or gender identity. There should be an equal
opportunity to explore the features of stable and healthy same-sex
relationships. This should be integrated appropriately into the RSE programme,
rather than addressed separately or in only one lesson.

What kids are meant to grasp by 16 is

how stereotypes, in particular stereotypes based on sex, gender,
race, religion, sexual orientation or disability, can cause damage
(e.g. how they might normalise non-consensual behaviour or
encourage prejudice)

I don't think anyone is telling them they can change sex,

Trouble is you cant teach any of it without contradicting the rest .

It may look " reasonable "

But this all comes from people who think sex segregation needs to be replaced with gender segregation. That being gay/ lesbian is transphobic and gender identity trumps every other protected characteristic

My children being taught about gay relationships- totally fine. Being taught an ideology that could ultimately lead them to chopping bits of themselves and taking drugs that could make them infertile and affect their brain and physical development absolutely not fine.

OP has this thread snuck over from the feminist board? I thought anti trans threads were supposed to be on there?

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