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I loathe the Scottish Government

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Dineasair · 16/04/2024 12:37

I loathe the Scottish Government. I want to see the SNP/Green Party coalition roast in hell! They can take any MSP who voted for the Gender Reform Bill or the Hate Crime Laws with them. Is it now a hate crime for a Scottish Woman to say that?

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Morwenscapacioussleeves · 29/04/2024 17:38

Jeezitneverends · 29/04/2024 17:28

You can tell they wrote their own T+C can’t you. Oxygen thieves, the whole damn lot of them

Quite!

What on earth is the justification for getting a pension well before retirement?

Most of them have continued collecting a MSP salary & if not being a former FM seems to bring financial opportunities their way regardless.

I'm genuinely shocked.
What a bloody grift!

Waitwhat23 · 29/04/2024 17:52

Soigneur · 29/04/2024 13:16

Out of interest, why aren't people using the deposit return? It's a no-brainer surely - otherwise you're just throwing money away? I've lived in countries with DRS and everyone uses them, you just take your empties to the supermarket when you go shopping.

Would love to be able to use it. But it's not getting used because it's locked up, not because people can't be bothered. The Scottish Greens cannae be trusted to organise a piss up in a Brewery, Lorna Slater in particular is incompetent and the Scottish Government have spaffed away millions of pounds because it just had to be different from the scheme in England -

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/desperate-lorna-slater-attempts-rewrite-32472098

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66050610.amp

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,lack-of-trust-in-business-was-fundamental-failing-of-drs-labour-msp-says#:~:text=The%20Scottish%20Government's%20deposit%20return,a%20Labour%20MSP%20has%20claimed.

So all the DRS units which were built in preparation for the implementation which will now never happen are now just mouldering away.

Lack of trust in business was 'fundamental failing' of DRS, Labour MSP says

Daniel Johnson says overbearing government treated firms like they were “trying to diddle the system”

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,lack-of-trust-in-business-was-fundamental-failing-of-drs-labour-msp-says#:~:text=The%20Scottish%20Government's%20deposit%20return,a%20Labour%20MSP%20has%20claimed.

TobyEsterhase · 29/04/2024 18:42

The current "government" is a sympton of a bigger problem: attitudes of tribalism, bigotry, intolerance and parochialism which are rife in Glasgow and spreading across rest of Scotland.

YES in 2014 targeted those on the margins of society with the simplistic message that all their problems were caused by "Westminster".They are now the core SNP vote.

whistablenative · 29/04/2024 18:52

@TobyEsterhase I agree. In a similar way the Govt in Westminster targeted those who felt that they were not 'being listened to' & told them it was all the fault of Europe. Look where that got us. Neither party give a damn about those 'on the margins' they just want votes & power (like all policians really)

TobyEsterhase · 29/04/2024 21:45

whistablenative · 29/04/2024 18:52

@TobyEsterhase I agree. In a similar way the Govt in Westminster targeted those who felt that they were not 'being listened to' & told them it was all the fault of Europe. Look where that got us. Neither party give a damn about those 'on the margins' they just want votes & power (like all policians really)

The govt in Westminster campaigned AGAINST Brexit. I voted for Brexit because I believed the benefits of getting rid of an unnecessary layer of government outweighed the short term difficulties of leaving the single market. I work for a business where 70% of our sales go to France and Brexit has not caused any significant issues.

Soigneur · 30/04/2024 09:42

TheBanffie · 29/04/2024 13:33

Long long saga- short version is that all English drinks producers would have to comply with the labelling requirements in order to sell in Scotland and their prices would be different, hence it becomes anticompetitive and requires agreement from England - which the Green minister in charge (Slater) didn't bother to request until far too short notice. Just doesn't work having different labels and prices across the border. No evidence it would boost recycling anyway - more hassle to take stuff back than stick if in your own recycling bin, and scunners councils who would no longer get any revenue from glass recycling (the only bit that actually makes any money). Most of our 'recycling' gets bailed up and shipped abroad, very unclear what happens to it then.

Oh, I wonder why it works so well in the Nordic countries and Germany etc? Although a lot in Germany is actually re-use rather than recycling - fizzy drinks bottles etc go back to the original manufacturer for refill. Just like they used in the UK up until the mid-70s or so (and milk men still do).

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 16:42

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 29/04/2024 16:23

Did everyone else know that the former FMs all get half their ministerial salary /year for life as a pension from the day they leave office 😮

😮

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Rainbowshit · 03/05/2024 17:09

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 29/04/2024 16:23

Did everyone else know that the former FMs all get half their ministerial salary /year for life as a pension from the day they leave office 😮

This isn't true apparently.

Starlightshine · 06/05/2024 11:29

Soigneur · 30/04/2024 09:42

Oh, I wonder why it works so well in the Nordic countries and Germany etc? Although a lot in Germany is actually re-use rather than recycling - fizzy drinks bottles etc go back to the original manufacturer for refill. Just like they used in the UK up until the mid-70s or so (and milk men still do).

Because in the Scandinavian countries they have a common system. Scotland is part of the UK. The UK is an island and supplies from various parts of the UK get sold in Scotland so we need a common UK-wide DRS system here. The Scottish government didn’t want that. They wanted their own scoattishy system instead, hence it failed.

Minerva14 · 06/05/2024 11:31

There is no end to the crap show that is the SNP govt. Swinney thinking about bringing back self ID, seriously?!

Misthios · 06/05/2024 12:01

Swinney is a total waste of space. Sturgeon's yes-man during the pandemic who never had an original thought in his life.

SirChenjins · 06/05/2024 12:28

Let’s wait and see - he was quite careful with his words there, with lots of waffle about dialogue but underpinning that with ‘the law is the law’. I suspect he’s placating the nutters but let’s wait and see if he’s prepared to pursue this issue with Regan and Forbes holding his feet to the fire.

Otoh, he’s an incompetent as the rest of them - curriculum for mediocrity, anyone?

Rainbowshit · 06/05/2024 13:32

SirChenjins · 06/05/2024 12:28

Let’s wait and see - he was quite careful with his words there, with lots of waffle about dialogue but underpinning that with ‘the law is the law’. I suspect he’s placating the nutters but let’s wait and see if he’s prepared to pursue this issue with Regan and Forbes holding his feet to the fire.

Otoh, he’s an incompetent as the rest of them - curriculum for mediocrity, anyone?

He needs the greens to vote him in as FM so may just be waffling to not set them off again against the SNP.

Dineasair · 06/05/2024 15:06

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Aye and what he means is that he will bring back the GRR and allow self ID the minute Labour get into power in England, because he knows that they won’t block it.

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motheronthedancefloor · 06/05/2024 15:16

listening to his speech...
is he 'listening' to those who don't think women have penises?

Dineasair · 06/05/2024 22:25

motheronthedancefloor · 06/05/2024 15:16

listening to his speech...
is he 'listening' to those who don't think women have penises?

Nope!

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treadingonlego · 07/05/2024 08:00

Sturgeon's yes-man during the pandemic who never had an original thought in his life

I don't imagine much to have changed.

Toooldforthis36 · 07/05/2024 08:24

More of the same old SNP pish till Stephen Flynn gets himself a Holyrood seat next time and goes for the job. He’s a Machiavellian one to watch, sounds like his “advice” did old Humza up like a kipper 🤣

Soigneur · 07/05/2024 08:54

Starlightshine · 06/05/2024 11:29

Because in the Scandinavian countries they have a common system. Scotland is part of the UK. The UK is an island and supplies from various parts of the UK get sold in Scotland so we need a common UK-wide DRS system here. The Scottish government didn’t want that. They wanted their own scoattishy system instead, hence it failed.

Hmm, in Germany and the US different states have different systems and they seem to make it work.

Linearforeignbody · 07/05/2024 08:59

You can’t compare countries anyway. The whole tax set up, healthcare, pensions, council funding etc etc are totally different.

BigBoysDontCry · 07/05/2024 09:19

Soigneur · 07/05/2024 08:54

Hmm, in Germany and the US different states have different systems and they seem to make it work.

Aye awright Lorna...😁

Maybe the difference is also that in these places they are willing to talk and make things more joined up rather than trying to do something different for the sake of it?

Igneococcus · 07/05/2024 09:40

Hmm, in Germany and the US different states have different systems and they seem to make it work.
Not true for Germany, it's a federal system.

Hartley99 · 07/05/2024 10:26

The SNP are blinded by hatred (hatred for the English, let's be honest). Their focus is not on Scotland but on separation. It isn't just an obsession with independence. It's an obsession with identity – with making Scotland as distinct and separate from the rest of the UK as they can. A government's priority should be to govern efficiently. The SNP's priority is to disentangle Scotland from the UK. In other words, to remove all traces of 'Britishness', no matter what the cost.

You see it in all areas of government. The creation of 'Police Scotland', for example, had nothing to do with efficiency. A reasonably efficient police service was replaced with a more expensive and less efficient one in the name of ideology. They wanted a distinct and separate force, with Gaelic on the side of every police car (paid for by the taxpayer, of course). The same thing has happened in all areas of government, and the result has been decline – worse housing, worse education, worse transportation, a worse health service, etc.