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Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?

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ssd · 21/10/2023 22:16

It wasn't even on the main news

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10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:15

Many people against the actions of the Israeli government/military have condemned Hamas, including myself. I have also yet to see an Israel supporter on this thread condemn the actions of the IDF. All I see is excuses, minimisation and whataboutism.

Thatisthewayaha · 24/10/2023 09:16

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 08:55

@Thatisthewayaha the places they tell people to evacuate are bombed, almost immediately.

most people cannot evacuate because they don’t have fuel for their car or bevsysevthe majority of roads have been bombed.

as for humanitarian aid entering where did you get this information? They let 2 trucks in yesterdsy - 2 for 2.3 million? Actually less than 2.3 million people now.

yet again non stop air strikes over night killing mostly women, children and babies. ISRAEL are targeting civilians not Hamas.

absoloutely heart breaking seeing the footage of little hands trapped under the rubble. They didn’t deserve this, they didn’t deserve to die.

Its very clear that none of you have family, friends or know anyone in Gaza right now or you wouldn’t be spouting such nonsense. Oh to be so privileged to walk around with your eyes closed.

I haven't disputed that innocent civilians die in war. I have said that they are not being targeted. Hamas lie and manipulate the western media and it's useful idiots.

Thatisthewayaha · 24/10/2023 09:17

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:15

Many people against the actions of the Israeli government/military have condemned Hamas, including myself. I have also yet to see an Israel supporter on this thread condemn the actions of the IDF. All I see is excuses, minimisation and whataboutism.

I think the IDF action is justified. I have, however, said that I think water and medicine should be allowed in.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:21

Thatisthewayaha-

"I think the IDF action is justified"

Eeww. That is very fucked up. The actions of the IDF are not justified and are considered war crimes according to international law.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2023 09:23

Thatisthewayaha · 24/10/2023 09:13

I watched that segment which does appear to show inconsistencies with what Israel has said. But even assuming - and it is a massive assumption - that the analysis is accurate, it does not demonstrate that it was an Israeli rocket. It would show inconsistencies which then need to be weighed up against everything else, including the many incorrect things that Hamas has said, the type of damage, and the fact that Islamic Jihad said it has rocket fragments but is refusing to provide them for analysis.

I agree.

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 09:27

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne the little boy in America? It’s truly horrific, and all of this hate speech is being carried out from people with very limited knowledge. I say this because it is evident from the nonsense they write here and on every other post. But you cannot converse with people like this, their minds are made up thanks to our Western Media “journalism” and I use that word loosely as U.K. journalism of late has been atrocious.

Nobody supports terrorist organisations, everyone thinks what Hamas did was atrocious HOWEVER Israel, the IDF is not a terrorist organisation, they are in fact one of the richest countries in the world, who have the backing and support of other rich countries and they are murdering babies, they are murdering children, they are murdering women, they are murdering the elderly, they are murdering everyone. They are targeting hospitals, mosques, churches, schools, supermarkets, bakeries, family home and the only potential border crossing. They have turned off their water and electricity supplies. They have killed more than 5k people, more than 1500 children and injured more than 15,000 people since the 7 October alone. And there’s thousands “missing” I.e. they are under the rubble. Surgeons are operating on people including children using the light from mobile phones and without any anaesthesia because there is no medicine left. I’m not going to compare what Hamas did to Israel or how many they killed or what atrocious crimes they carried out because they are a terrorist organisation and that is sadly what they do. Of course Israel should fight back, but they’re fighting back against the wrong people. They’re fighting back against babies in NICU who in a matter of days will die. So IF Israel is losing support you can kind of see why. The Jewish people (or not any that I know of) do not support the bombardment of Palestinians. The Palestinians that I know do not support Hamas.

Palestinians rightly so are pissed off. Since the last Nakba in 1948 Palestinians continue to be displaced, murdered, tortured, bombed, their homes and people set of fire. 75 years and countless resolutions ignored Palestinians are still fighting for their basic humanitarian needs. THAT is why people are marching. Of course you will get the odd crack head marching for the wrong things, or simply just not understanding what the cause is for.

Just imagine if the people of England treated people in Scotland the same with the Israel military treats Palestine. Let that sink in for a moment.

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 09:32

@Thatisthewayaha and this comment is all we need to know about you.

snickersandmarsandbounty · 24/10/2023 09:33

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:15

Many people against the actions of the Israeli government/military have condemned Hamas, including myself. I have also yet to see an Israel supporter on this thread condemn the actions of the IDF. All I see is excuses, minimisation and whataboutism.

Absolutely- it speaks volumes that they are happy to see this mass slaughter- nothing will ever get resolved from hate and what is the reasoning that the IDF have free rein ?

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:41

Baffled1989-well said, Evey single word.

Yes. I am referring to that poor boy in America. I was absolutely appalled when I heard about that. I still am. I definitely agree that you can not speak to people like this. I mentioned the war crimes and all UN resolutions Israel has several times and all I here is crickets.

"Just imagine if the people of England treated people in Scotland the same with the Israel military treats Palestine"

I don't think there would be many Scottish people left. The only reason why Israel has been relatively slow in their genocide against the Palestinians until now, is because the world was always watching. The Israeli government hopes if it is slow enough, the world won't notice. But the world is noticing now.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:44

snickersandmarsandbounty-
"Absolutely- it speaks volumes that they are happy to see this mass slaughter- nothing will ever get resolved from hate and what is the reasoning that the IDF have free rein?"

It sure does. The silence is deafening, except from Thatisthewayaha, who just said the quiet part out loud. 😬😬

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 09:47

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza

just incase anyone thinks I photoshopped the image.

Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?
10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:48

'Hear', not 'here'. Sorry.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:48

Baffled1989-😨🤢🤬

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 09:49

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne the world is certainly watching now.

Thatisthewayaha · 24/10/2023 09:49

Yes, I think an army is entitled to respond when another state declares war on it. I haven't said that the IDF should be able to do anything and indeed have expressed disagreement about not allowing water and medicine into the strip. You are just misrepresenting my words to avoid having to engage with the actual substance.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 09:51

Baffled1989-
It sure is. I have never been more grateful for the invention of the camera, the microphone, smartphone, the internet and social media.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/10/2023 10:06

Thatisthewayaha

No. An army is NOT entitled respond any way it wants when another state declares war on it. Once again, the IDF is committing a multitude of war crimes according to international law. Also, Gaza is technically not another state and the Palestinians are technically Israeli citizens. The IDF are committing war crimes against their on citizens (the Palestinians) and has been doing so for quite some time. What you are seeing now is the result of 75 years of aggressive apartheid.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 24/10/2023 10:29

There are plenty of people on this thread condemning BOTH sides actions, those that are posting nobody has condemned Israels actions aren't reading the thread.

What is noticeable to me is that those same posters are minimising or outright dismissing the loss of Israeli and jewish lives as, well thats Hamas, they're terrorists. That is disgusting to me, to not give any thought or sympathy to Israel having to live with the constant threat of a group like that who hide amongst civilians and want to kill all jews. I find it hard to comprehend a jewish person coming on to this thread and barely giving a mention to that while criticising posters who have not once supported the IDF, but said these marches 'for Palestine' are wrong.

What do people think the IDF should do? Id like to know how you think they should deal with this constant threat, and the risk that this elected terrorist group in Palestine pose to them and their citizens. Can you not think for a second about their history, that this is their only homeland, and really think about what that must feel like to live there with a group supported by other countries, all wanting to kill jews in the most despicable disgusting ways, live-streamed on Facebook just to add to the hideousness. What would you actually do if that was your reality? Open the borders and take the risk? Not respond to them murdering, raping and burning your citizens?

Littlebluetruck · 24/10/2023 10:30

Just imagine if the people of England treated people in Scotland the same with the Israel military treats Palestine. Let that sink in for a moment.

We really don’t need to go down that route. Scotland and England are not Israel and Palestine. We have our own past. Our own conflicts. Many resentments that still affect us today. All countries do.

Europe was absolutely decimated after WW2. A choice was made to draw a line under the horrors of that conflict and people went back to whatever remained of their lives. There was no justice to be had. The damage done by WW2 was insurmountable, but those people who said “enough”, allowed Europe to flourish and thus, have allowed us to live in a peace we had never experienced before. And for that, I am thankful.

I really don’t think the discourse on this conflict is helpful. At all. I rarely see people engaging with posts on what can reasonably be done here to allow a line to be drawn for future generations to live in peace and flourish. Surely that is the goal?

There will be no justice for those who were raped and butchered by Hamas, there will be no justice for the people of Gaza who are being slaughtered. There will be no justice for any of it.

The bombing needs to stop. Now. The bloodshed needs to stop. And I think the only way forward may be for some kind of international force to occupy Gaza and invest in infrastructure, education, healthcare etc with a focus on rooting out any violent movements that exist there. And Israel will need to deal with its settlers and ultimately back right off from any involvement in Gaza. We need to build a bright future for the children of Gaza and I can’t see how else it could be done.

Does anyone have any better ideas?

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 10:34

@Thatisthewayaha so this is ok so long as they allow water and medicine into Gaza?

Your words are you words, choose more carefully so there may never be a misunderstanding or misrepresentation.

May this sweet soul find peace.

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2023 10:36

What instigated those '75 years of aggressive apartheid '? The palestinians and their arab nation allies declaring war on Israel and trying to anhialate its people. Damned right Israel wants to keep itself seperate from people who want its total destruction and who vote in leaders who want to see jews all over the world murdered. How many more children would have been tied up and burned alive if Hamas and its supporters were free to mingle across the country.

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 10:39

@Littlebluetruck Palestinians in Gaza and around Israel deserve to have the same human rights as you do. It’s laughable that you have completely overlooked this.

Littlebluetruck · 24/10/2023 10:46

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 10:39

@Littlebluetruck Palestinians in Gaza and around Israel deserve to have the same human rights as you do. It’s laughable that you have completely overlooked this.

Laughable?

Well, I was certainly right that the discourse around this isn’t very helpful.

It seems that some people don’t want to engage in a discussion about what can realistically be done.

Ineedaholiday23 · 24/10/2023 10:49

@MrTiddlesTheCat

Have you been? You do realise there are lots of 'Arabs' as you refer to them, in Israel? There's literally 'The Muslim Quarter' in Jerusalem. Many of the sites that are so dear to Christians and Jews are also important for Muslims.

They are also prone to being jailed/ beaten up and killed by IDF soldiers and their houses ( who in many cases have been in their families for generations) taken from them by people from the US , overseen by IDF soldiers. Is that right in your mind? It seems so.

Baffled1989 · 24/10/2023 10:53

@Littlebluetruck its laughable because you are completely overlooking the suffering of Palestines, and thinking a “realistic” solution is to focus on infrastructure. You’re not listening!!