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itsgettingweird · 05/04/2023 14:09

PoBaFla · 05/04/2023 10:06

Well that explains the resignation, must have known it was coming

This^
The sudden resignation was very strange, particularly when she knew there was no natural successor and all her work towards Indy would likely go down the pan.
There had to be something big going on

I'm from nowhere near Scotland and not particularly hot on my Scottish politics I'll fully admit.

But this is exactly what I said this morning when I heard the news.

Her resignation never made sense - until now!

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Rainbowshit · 05/04/2023 14:12

You'd think if the police were going to arrest the husband of the recently departed FM ,they'd have made damn sure the issue was clear cut before doing so. 🙄

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TaLooLaBell · 05/04/2023 14:15

Oh dear

Mistymoonsinastarrysky · 05/04/2023 14:19

Whatthediddlyfeck · 05/04/2023 12:07

I hate to say this, but Iain Livinsgstone (my boss!) was always going to retire this year-he’s done over 30 years and had agreed to extend to 31 because of the pandemic

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So pure coincidence?
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Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 14:22

SirChenjins · 05/04/2023 13:57

And again, the police disagree with their opinion. So much so, in fact, the the husband of the FM has actually been arrested.

Someone really didn’t fully understand what these funds could be used for. You’d have thought they would have had a better grasp of the law - or got someone independent in who did have. Wonder why they didn’t

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I’m not quite sure why you are ‘and again’ing me? The police have progressed in their investigation and must have a reason. At this stage PM has not been charged, his arrest is all part of the investigation. As far as I’m aware political parties don’t have to ring fence money for specific purposes. We simply don’t know the full story atm. It has been a very long and drawn out investigation though.

SirChenjins · 05/04/2023 14:27

What don't you understand? You said 'appropriately', then changed it to 'in the SNP's opinion'. I clarified that regardless of whether the SNP thought it was appropriate use of funds, or whether in their opinion it was OK, the police think obviously think very differently for an arrest to be made (esp at that level).

If the SNP had any doubts - and as you rightly say, this has been ongoing for some time, so it can't have come as a surprise to them - I'd have thought they would have got independent advice and scrutiny and published that in the interest of openness and transparency. Instead, they appear caught with their breeks down.

BigBoysDontCry · 05/04/2023 14:32

Wasn't the fundraiser at the time specifically for indyref2 and that's what the donations (£600k) were meant to be used for? I think though that there seems to be more to it than that.

What evidence shows remains to be seen.

KnittingNeedles · 05/04/2023 14:36

I think that was the early understanding of it yes. That £600k had been raised and ringfenced for Indy Ref 2 campaigning, whenever that might be.

But the money is not there any more and nobody seems to answer where it is, how it was spent, and who authorised it.

KnittingNeedles · 05/04/2023 14:38

It will be up to the CPS as to whether he is charged.

We don't have the CPS in Scotland @Independentscotland . We have the Procurator Fiscal.

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 14:39

SirChenjins · 05/04/2023 14:27

What don't you understand? You said 'appropriately', then changed it to 'in the SNP's opinion'. I clarified that regardless of whether the SNP thought it was appropriate use of funds, or whether in their opinion it was OK, the police think obviously think very differently for an arrest to be made (esp at that level).

If the SNP had any doubts - and as you rightly say, this has been ongoing for some time, so it can't have come as a surprise to them - I'd have thought they would have got independent advice and scrutiny and published that in the interest of openness and transparency. Instead, they appear caught with their breeks down.

I said the snp felt they used the funds appropriately. Obviously this is their opinion. I’m not sure what the SNP could have done during a very long standing police investigation. I’ve no skin in this game other than being a supporter of independence but everybody is innocent until proved guilty. We’re nowhere near that yet as we don’t even know the full reasons for arrest.

fromdownwest · 05/04/2023 14:41

As a life long voter, the next round of GE, I will be forgoing my right to vote. I can no longer live the lie that my vote makes any difference and these people have the best interest of the people at heart.

They are ALL self serving, money grabbing and self important. The system is flawed, and I can no longer play this game.

A real shame

PersonaNonGarter · 05/04/2023 14:41

C’mon @Independentscotland you are right not to leap to conclusions but you do sound pretty blinkered.

This isn’t an HMRC investigation, or a re-audit. The Police are involved because of crime - and that requires criminal intent or recklessness. This isn’t about oops-sorry wrong accounting.

PersonaNonGarter · 05/04/2023 14:42

the snp felt they used the funds appropriately

oh well that’s alright then I will be using my neighbours Rolex as I feel appropriate too

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 14:48

The police are involved because of potential crime. Any decision to charge will be made by the CPS. And guilt ultimately determined by the courts. As i say I have no skin in this game, there’s not enough information to come to any conclusion.

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Rainbowshit · 05/04/2023 14:49

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 14:48

The police are involved because of potential crime. Any decision to charge will be made by the CPS. And guilt ultimately determined by the courts. As i say I have no skin in this game, there’s not enough information to come to any conclusion.

Your username suggest otherwise.

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TokyoSushi · 05/04/2023 14:50

Humour me a minute...

So £600K was used for Indyref2 campaigning, and now it's not there, any 'nobody knows' where it is?

TokyoSushi · 05/04/2023 14:51

Was raised for Indyref2 campaigning.

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 14:51

Rainbowshit · 05/04/2023 14:49

Your username suggest otherwise.

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I’m not a member of the SNP so really I don’t. There are lots of people in Scotland who support independence without being a member of or aligned to any party.

PersonaNonGarter · 05/04/2023 14:56

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 14:48

The police are involved because of potential crime. Any decision to charge will be made by the CPS. And guilt ultimately determined by the courts. As i say I have no skin in this game, there’s not enough information to come to any conclusion.

We don’t have the CPS in Scotland - it’s the Procurator Fiscal. So back off with the smug ‘this is what will happen now’ stuff. You no more know about that than about who or what misappropriated the funds.

No way will Police Scotland not be iron-sure about this. It is just too risky.

ismu · 05/04/2023 15:00

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 11:47

I’m not a member of the SNP but I do support an independent Scotland.

This complaint about finances has dragged on for a long time. My understanding is that the money donated was used by the SNP for general campaigning as they believe everything they do has the aim of independence. Peter Murrell will have signed off the accounts. The complaint isn’t about whether the money has been stolen but how it was used. There will be technical legal issues about this but its by no means clear cut. Interviewing Peter Murrell under caution is probably a good thing as it will either provide evidence of potential criminality or not. Don’t forget that the complaint was made by a person who very much has an axe to grind with the SNP.

This ⬆️ 100%. Typically Scotland eats its own in factions.
First of all it's an internal party matter which should have been investigated by the SNP and secondly it's absolutely insignificant by Westminster standards so why all the theatre with tents etc ... unless he's hidden the doubloons in the garden?
I honestly don't think it's going to affect the independence vote- no one is flocking to Labour or the tories and certainly not to Alba.
Kate Forbes is dangerous- she's a religious conservative who puts her religion before politics and doesn't believe in sex outside marriage or abortion. She's no friend of women.

TrombonesAreNotBones · 05/04/2023 15:03

From the OP linked BBC article - 'Seven people made complaints and a probe was set up following talks with prosecutors.' Not just one person. Seven. Yikes.

KnittingNeedles · 05/04/2023 15:03

What aboutery at its best, @ismu .

This is not about Kate Forbes, who lost and is not FM. It is not about Westminster.

And yes, the SNP should have investigated and got to the bottom of the missing money but they didn't, did they?

Independentscotland · 05/04/2023 15:04

PersonaNonGarter · 05/04/2023 14:56

We don’t have the CPS in Scotland - it’s the Procurator Fiscal. So back off with the smug ‘this is what will happen now’ stuff. You no more know about that than about who or what misappropriated the funds.

No way will Police Scotland not be iron-sure about this. It is just too risky.

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Smug? Don’t project your own attitudes. Yes its the PF, I actually work with them very closely. Blame my menopausal brain for my mistake. They will however make the decision as to whether to prosecute. Or do you disagree with that too? I don’t know what’s going on, never said I did, just giving some real information about the SNP reported position during this investigation. For all we know PM may have been arrested for something else?

NowThatsWhatICall22 · 05/04/2023 15:06

I honestly don't think it's going to affect the independence vote

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Rainbowshit · 05/04/2023 15:09

First of all it's an internal party matter which should have been investigated by the SNP and secondly it's absolutely insignificant by Westminster standards so why all the theatre with tents etc ...

Are you completely delusional? Clearly Police Scotland, having arrested PM, think otherwise.

And as for the but Westminsteor , oh please. We'v had enough of that record, change it.

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