Views on Sunak 'blocking gender bill'

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I would describe myself as gender critical and opposed to this bill but this doesn't sit right with me.

Sturgeon will just bleat on and on about sovereignty and he's handed her more of a platform IMO.

What do you all think?

So as our leaders and policy makers are in total thrall to a misogynist nappy wearing fetishist sex worker and serial abuser Beth Douglas then seriously we have a major problem and Thank God for Rishi Sunaks intervention

The clapping is creepy/cult like. “Queer high” is spot on

I think it’s very easy to blame the greens here and this argument sort of lets Nicola sturgeon off the hook.

She could decide to pedal back on this whole extremely damaging fiasco. if it is such a defining policy for the greens let them leave and take all this nonsense with them…but the SNP don’t. Political coalitions of ruling parliaments have broken down for less.

judge on actions not words.

Yes I agree the SNP had similar pro-Trans/anti women policies before going into coalition with the Greens.
Just look at Scottish Labour's support for this ridiculous bill. That 9 SNP MSPs rebelled is amazing in itself but maybe they are worried about the risks to their own actual real children. I know protecting my children would motivate me regardless of political leaning.

twitter.com/connorgillies/status/1619416132997488641?s=46&t=UCRsa5sPQGsGnmrFkxx4YA

To be fair though I don’t think this prisoner is suitable to be with ANY others

Just want to correct this, as it's not what Cherry said.

She said there were issues with the Bill vs UK and she doesn't support it, but that she thinks that "problems made in Scotland should be resolved in Scotland" and she wants Holyrood to sort this out itself.

I thought she gave a great interview, actually.

Anyway, I hope this is the start of Sturgeon's downfall.

Maybe I need to go back to school and do some more maths.🤪🤣🤣
540 degrees cause she must be going round in circles 🔵 😜

The thing that worries me about all this, apart from how utterly deranged it all is obviously, is that self-ID has clearly already been in operation in the Scottish Prison System for quite some time despite it not yet being law. Stories are emerging of female prisoners living in fear of rape because of being housed with fully intact males which some have described (not unreasonably) as torture. This was happening anyway, the only difference is that now a light is shone on it. No-one voted for this, society would not have agreed to this, so how and why was self-ID introduced by stealth? What other public sectors have been similarly captured and introduced self-ID policies without public (or even parliamentary) consent? Hospitals? Schools? Rape Crisis? Does anyone know of any investigative journalists who would be brave enough to investigate this?

What other public sectors have been similarly captured and introduced self-ID policies without public (or even parliamentary) consent? Hospitals? Schools? Rape Crisis?

All of them.

Hospitals allow male sex offenders on single sex wards and then tell other women there are no men there (even, in one case, when such a man raped her and also told the police there were no man on the ward). The Scottish Government trans schools guidelines says four year olds can decide their sex and you mustn’t tell parents if they want to change their sex - guidance by their ‘expert group’ for an upcoming ban conversion bill suggests if you query your child wanting to change sex then they should be taken into care and you arrested. Edinburgh Rape Crisis is run by a man who identifies as a women (and lied about being a man when he applied) and says raped women must ‘reframe their trauma’ if they can’t cope with men in rape counselling sessions. Rape Crises even argued that MSPs should vote against allowing raped women to request the sex of the forensic examiner to catalogue their injuries (including internal ones).

All the main charities/organisations you think should be standing up for women’s rights and that are actually consulted by the Scottish government are funded almost exclusively by the Scottish government and have to sign up to self ID to get funding. So can’t criticise it. The ones that maintained themselves as single sex are defunded. Any organisation with Stonewall or other ‘diversity awards’ has to integrate Self ID in all its processes in order to gets points towards their awards.

Stonewall have been hugely influential in this through their diversity schemes (other diversity schemes exist driving the same agenda): they have been providing training across the public and private sector telling everyone that basically self ID is law and you cannot stop a man who identifies as a women from using women’s spaces. This is not true, and they know it isn’t, but a lot of people believe it because of their training.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us I had the same feelings when I read that article - how much of what we were told wouldn't happen hasn't yet come to light?

I do agree the main issue is violence and that needs to be addressed in all policies.

It's terrifying how much has happened under the radar.

It is terrifying. I couldn't believe months/years ago reading my local paper about these male criminals just deciding they are women and it's all accepted, believed and you/we have to take it at face value or we are the bigots/fascists. I don't trust the Scottish Govt for a single second to put proper safeguards in place. Listening to Sturgeon's latest disingenuous comments to yet again minimize genuine concerns - she is a horrible blinkered person who does not care one jot about women and children.

It is terrifying! Apparently Keith Brown is trying to claim that no transwomen held on the women's estate had convictions for violence against women. Quite apart from missing the point spectacularly about retraumatising women with male-bodied cell mates, and the fact that most violence against women doesn't lead to a conviction anyway, I can think of at least three off the top of my head so it isn't even true!! Unless this weasel means something very specific like 'criminal convictions for violence against women while in jail' or something. There was paedophile 'Katie' held recently in CV after assaulting a young girl in a public toilet, the double rapist who went there last week, and 'Tiffany' who couldn't look more male if he tried who was about to be transferred there until the press got wind of it. God only knows who else that has gone under the radar. They're taking us all for fools.

The Scottish Prison Service policy was heavily influenced by trans activists - google the comment by James Morton about strategising that if the prison service accepted trans prisoners then it would be easier to ensure other public services would do so also. It is covered in the article in the Times on Saturday by Janice Turner - sorry I don't have a share token or would link

And Keith Brown's statement might well be based on the fact that Katie Dolatowski has apparently been released and is at liberty

It’s like it’s the new “converting to Islam” alL of a sudden once convicted to receive apparent better treatment

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e8843676-a0b5-11ed-befb-a61c39e55892?shareToken=a3916db7d7990a3e63407cb3e3593fed
"According to James Morton of the Scottish Trans Alliance: “We strategised that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise”.

This is the quote to which I referred earlier - Alex Massie quotes James Morton in the article.

It made my blood boil to read that Nicola Sturgeon doesn't think she has anything to apologise for.....seriously! I'm just thankful they have been stopped for now!

Channel 4s ciaran Jenkins twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1620132248329801728?s=46&t=ih6ZSDb65G_GAffsdVFjZQ

Ciaran Jenkins is brilliant in that interview

Peter Smith of itv had her flummoxed

twitter.com/peteradamsmith/status/1620051699900755970?s=46&t=2EPwA5B_Eb262DJqrXy91g

I shouldn't be surprised but there are nats all over Twitter SNP bad-ing this issue. Utterly pathetic.

I think the past few weeks have really demonstrated the lack of substance to ns's leadership. She hasn't been able to resort to the usual but Westminster much worse position on this issue and she is floundering.

surely this has to be the end of Sturgeon!