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Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

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Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:26

Waitwhat23 · 15/08/2022 23:23

You've been here a while Discover. You know that's not true. The occupational exemptions of the EQA2010 make that clear - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/26/1.

In this particular case, those exemptions weren't invoked so a man can take up the post. It doesn't mean that women can't query why a man, with no experience whatsoever of periods, facing menstruation stigma or actually using period products, could be considered suitable for the job, above a woman who actually has experienced any of those things.

Could you repost the link? It goes to “page not found”
But anyway, that’s my opinion as to what equality requires. Whether we are actually an equal society in practice (we are not) is a different matter altogether.

FayeGovan · 15/08/2022 23:27

InquiringMinds · 15/08/2022 23:13

@Waitwhat23 exactly, it is more suitable for a woman. I cannot imagine a man doing this job.

I cant imagine a man wanting the fucking job

viques · 15/08/2022 23:28

Waitwhat23 · 15/08/2022 23:04

This appears to be the job description for the role - www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/education/dundee-and-angus-college/jobs/period-dignity-regional-lead-officer-280621

I've seen a few posts here and on Twitter which seem to think the role is simply to supply various sites and venues with period products, implying It's essentially paper pushing ('so there's no reason a man can't do it').

The job description doesn't seem to read like that at all, in particular -

'5. Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products.'

Lots of focus on engaging young people and outreach work. Given the subject matter, you'd think it would be rather more suitable for a woman, wouldn't you?

Well it’s clear from the wording in the JD (young people who menstruate) that a woke person was expected to apply.

Feeling particularly sorry for the older “people who menstruate” because clearly their menstrual dignity doesn’t matter two fucks because they aren’t even being considered to be part of the remit. The fact that older menstruating people women will be using the premises, either because they are employed by the colleges or are visiting doesn’t seem to have occurred to the employers.

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:30

It doesn't mean that women can't query why a man, with no experience whatsoever of periods, facing menstruation stigma or actually using period products, could be considered suitable for the job, above a woman who actually has experienced any of those things.

But lived experience in periods is not necessary to be a project manager overseeing the implementation of a government initiative regarding periods. The vast majority of project managers do not have lived experience in whatever they are overseeing.

It’s rather like requiring an architect to have lived experience as a bricklayer?

You can query all you like but it’s obvious you’re just being sexist.

RJnomore1 · 15/08/2022 23:30

“Provide support to the project team” is not “deliver”

oviraptor21 · 15/08/2022 23:31

Actually lived experience would be quite handy wouldn't it because, you know, it might possibly give a bit more insight into what works with the target demographic and the particular issues they may face? 🤔

Rapidtango · 15/08/2022 23:32

To those who have no issue with this appointment, can you honestly, hand on heart, not see why a woman should be in the role? Honestly?

Waitwhat23 · 15/08/2022 23:32

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:26

Could you repost the link? It goes to “page not found”
But anyway, that’s my opinion as to what equality requires. Whether we are actually an equal society in practice (we are not) is a different matter altogether.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/26/1

(The link works in preview so should work this time)

First paragraph of that page -

'This paragraph provides a general exception to what would otherwise be unlawful direct discrimination in relation to work. The exception applies where being of a particular sex, race, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation or age – or not being a transsexual person, married or a civil partner – is a requirement for the work, and the person whom it is applied to does not meet it (or, except in the case of sex, does not meet it to the reasonable satisfaction of the person who applied it). The requirement must be crucial to the post, and not merely one of several important factors. It also must not be a sham or pretext. In addition, applying the requirement must be proportionate so as to achieve a legitimate aim.'

mumda · 15/08/2022 23:33

Well men are as entitled to tampons for free now in Scotland.

Rapidtango · 15/08/2022 23:33

Discovereads, so you believe there was not a single woman in Scotland capable of doing this?

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 15/08/2022 23:35

I honestly feel like we’re living in an episode of Black Mirror at times.

I think the folk behind Black Mirror would have had a job coming up with storylines as unbelievable as the sharn happening in Scotland.

cheekychatta · 15/08/2022 23:35

Well he's never going to have pmt , stomach cramps or leaks that stain his clothes is he ? The world has gone bat shit crazy .

VioletToes · 15/08/2022 23:36

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ErrolTheDragon · 15/08/2022 23:36

Theres no such thing as man jobs and woman jobs. To say otherwise is sex discrimination.

Of course there are - obviously and rightly only a few specific cases allowed by the exceptions to the EA. For instance today I had my routine mammogram, the letter specified that it would be a female doing it.

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:37

oviraptor21 · 15/08/2022 23:31

Actually lived experience would be quite handy wouldn't it because, you know, it might possibly give a bit more insight into what works with the target demographic and the particular issues they may face? 🤔

Sure. It might be, or you might be biased towards what works for you and discard ideas that wouldn’t work for you.

RJnomore1 · 15/08/2022 23:38

Rapidtango · 15/08/2022 23:32

To those who have no issue with this appointment, can you honestly, hand on heart, not see why a woman should be in the role? Honestly?

For this post I 100 per cent cannot. Unless you’re going to day all obstetricians should be female and female health improvement staff shouldn’t be working on addressing male cancers. In both cases they work directly with the people too, not as a project manager.

This is a step towards periods being normalised as something that happens to about half the population and not something which should be hushed up and put in a corner.

Lived experience absolutely is important but extrapolating that wider, should you not be allowed to work with people with health issues or homeless if you haven’t experienced it yourself?

This isn’t about handing 12 years olds tampons. There will also have been a local consultation on distribution methods which will inform how it’s being done and a published statement detailing this.

oviraptor21 · 15/08/2022 23:39

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:37

Sure. It might be, or you might be biased towards what works for you and discard ideas that wouldn’t work for you.

No not biased. Just know for a fact that a man can't have the lived experience - perhaps you'd like to refute that? Do enlighten me if so.

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:39

Rapidtango · 15/08/2022 23:33

Discovereads, so you believe there was not a single woman in Scotland capable of doing this?

No. I’m sure there are. But that’s not how hiring decisions are made. You don’t say I want a person of a certain demographic and then shred every CV coming in from persons of a different demographic.

oviraptor21 · 15/08/2022 23:41

RJnomore1 · 15/08/2022 23:38

For this post I 100 per cent cannot. Unless you’re going to day all obstetricians should be female and female health improvement staff shouldn’t be working on addressing male cancers. In both cases they work directly with the people too, not as a project manager.

This is a step towards periods being normalised as something that happens to about half the population and not something which should be hushed up and put in a corner.

Lived experience absolutely is important but extrapolating that wider, should you not be allowed to work with people with health issues or homeless if you haven’t experienced it yourself?

This isn’t about handing 12 years olds tampons. There will also have been a local consultation on distribution methods which will inform how it’s being done and a published statement detailing this.

Following experiences with male gynaecologist I now refuse to be seen by a male. I'm sure I'm not alone in this - see also PP re. mammograms.
So for it may be wise to consider why that is and to think again about why it would be better to have a female period dignity officer.

RJnomore1 · 15/08/2022 23:43

Would you object to your female health care worker being managed by a male?

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:43

oviraptor21 · 15/08/2022 23:39

No not biased. Just know for a fact that a man can't have the lived experience - perhaps you'd like to refute that? Do enlighten me if so.

Lived experience is causing bias on this very thread. We are seeing women so biased by their lived experience they think only a woman can do this job.

RJnomore1 · 15/08/2022 23:44

Look there are many many things wrong in Scotland, this genuinely isn’t one of them.

SammyScrounge · 15/08/2022 23:44

2bazookas · 15/08/2022 22:15

In Scotland, period products are now available free to all, no charge.

Jason's job is publicising the service, and liaising with schools, colleges, councils etc about where and how the supplies of free products are distributed . (Its 5 years since Dundee initiated a postal service for free period products) .

I don't find any of the above inappropriate for a man. It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with shy leaky girls having to ask a man for a tampon.

He says he wants to be a role model. For whom I couldn't say.

Goawayangryman · 15/08/2022 23:44

Maybe next week they will appoint a white middle aged man to lead the charge on equality for people of colour. Oh... Wait. No. That doesn't read well.

oviraptor21 · 15/08/2022 23:45

If the male was managing a female specific health issue and was responsible for deciding matters relating to dignity, privacy etc. then yes that would concern me.

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