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Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

679 replies

Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 00:33

Pallisers · 16/08/2022 00:30

In this case, in a mysoginistic world, I think having a man speak about periods is good, not bad.

you might be right there. But how fucking sad is that. We should at least acknowledge the deep misogyny within that statement alone. Women's voices alone won't get us anywhere - and you can see that clearly. Maybe the way to change that is not to ask a man to be our spokesman but to elevate women's voices and change attitudes.

He isn't the face of the campaign. This isn't about this random bloke being the spokesman of women.

His roles are in PM and compliance.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 00:34

Pallisers · 16/08/2022 00:28

ah come on. The FIRST person to take on this role is a man? Seriously. He beat out every female candidate for this first-time role, a new initiative about periods in Scotland? He was simply better than every other woman who applied. If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

Maybe the fifth person appointed to the role could be a man but the first is just taking the piss.

And yes there are some jobs where lived experience might matter a fair bit. I wouldn't be appointing a white male as head of diversity in our company any time soon.

Why not? It should be a 50/50 chance whether a new hire is a man or woman. But the way you write about how you would hire/do hire it’s obvious you’re being sex/race discriminatory which is an illegal hiring practice. You might want that post deleted, it’s not wise to confess to illegal activity on a public forum.

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 00:35

Rainbowshit · 16/08/2022 00:32

Whyare people insuring he won't be talking to young girls. It says so right here. Why the fuck would young girls want to talk to a man about periods? What about the dignity of those young girls?

"5. Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products."

Gymnopedie · 16/08/2022 00:36

2bazookas · 15/08/2022 22:15

In Scotland, period products are now available free to all, no charge.

Jason's job is publicising the service, and liaising with schools, colleges, councils etc about where and how the supplies of free products are distributed . (Its 5 years since Dundee initiated a postal service for free period products) .

I don't find any of the above inappropriate for a man. It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with shy leaky girls having to ask a man for a tampon.

The job description, which has been quoted on here, rather contradicts that view. As does his own quote: For me it’s about driving the discussion from a young age so boys and girls are included and there’s no hiding it away because that keeps it as a taboo topic

This is much more than simply organising a supply chain. Let's have a man talking to - from his own quote - young girls, about something that is very personal and private. I'm all for getting boys to understand what happens during a period so that they can support their partner if she* has difficult or painful periods, but again 'from a young age'? What does he mean by that?

*That sentence could be seen as transphobic. If you tried hard enough. Oh dear.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/08/2022 00:36

He isn't the face of the campaign. This isn't about this random bloke being the spokesman of women.

His roles are in PM and compliance.

He shouldn't be the face of the campaign, yet there he is in the newspaper. His quotes in that piece doesn't sound like he intends being in the back office doing the paperwork much.

GiantSpaceHamster · 16/08/2022 00:37

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 00:21

Why not? Do you similarly demand that Always only have female managers overseeing only women to write TV adverts for period products?

I think it’s fucking obvious that the majority of adverts for period products ads written by men.

RJnomore1 · 16/08/2022 00:38

See tbh

theres people doing this job across all 32 local authority areas and has been for some time. Some are men some are women. This is only nees in Dundee today because the new legislation became law. They will have different titles and some will be part of bigger roles but it’s been happening for several years.

this one looks like partners all put a bit of money in to the role in response to the new legislation but I can 100 tell you he’s not the first and he’s not the first man either.

IrisVersicolor · 16/08/2022 00:38

Pallisers · 16/08/2022 00:32

Why not? Do you similarly demand that Always only have female managers overseeing only women to write TV adverts for period products?

Well it might have stopped the ads with blue fluid being tested on STs decades sooner.

On another front - more women at board level on sanitary pad companies may
have stopped the godawful scent added to pads now. Only a bloke/s would have thought that was a good idea.

NowThatsWhatICall22 · 16/08/2022 00:38

RJnomore1 · 16/08/2022 00:18

This post wasn’t recruited for by the Scottish government….

I can’t believe I’m saying this has nothing to do with Nicola sturgeon but actually, this has nothing to do with nicola sturgeon. The policy isn’t even SNP it was driven through by monica Lennon who is labour.

But it was recruited by a local partnership anyway.

Please don’t confuse a policy that supports period poverty, with the ‘fuck you, women of Scotland’ agenda which is currently playing out.

You must live under a rock if you don’t think this kind of appointment and news release doesn’t have approval at the highest level. Optics and PR stunts are the priority, not any valid concerns from women.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 00:40

Rainbowshit · 16/08/2022 00:32

Whyare people insuring he won't be talking to young girls. It says so right here. Why the fuck would young girls want to talk to a man about periods? What about the dignity of those young girls?

”Engaging and empowering” isnt talking to the people direct. In PM speak engaged in terms of young people who menstruate most probably means getting a high response rate on surveys of them and doing successful focus groups. Empowering means having good real time feedback mechanisms to refine requirements and improve delivery.

Foronenightonly22 · 16/08/2022 00:40

“I was chosen as the best person for the job“ - obviously - it would be hard to find a woman better qualified and experienced.🤮

RJnomore1 · 16/08/2022 00:41

NowThatsWhatICall22 · 16/08/2022 00:38

Please don’t confuse a policy that supports period poverty, with the ‘fuck you, women of Scotland’ agenda which is currently playing out.

You must live under a rock if you don’t think this kind of appointment and news release doesn’t have approval at the highest level. Optics and PR stunts are the priority, not any valid concerns from women.

This is hilarious. Do you actually think nicola sturgeon has a hand in local partnership project officer appointments?

im not living under a rock trust me, I’m just not running around in a tinfoil hat either.

Foronenightonly22 · 16/08/2022 00:42

Discovereads · 15/08/2022 23:23

Yeah, that’s not what a project manager does. He’s not personally going to be going into classrooms and talking to girls.

Did you look at the article. In the photos that looks to be a young girl with him - being mansplained to. 🤮

RJnomore1 · 16/08/2022 00:44

What, the young girl with her mother?

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 00:45

Gymnopedie · 16/08/2022 00:36

The job description, which has been quoted on here, rather contradicts that view. As does his own quote: For me it’s about driving the discussion from a young age so boys and girls are included and there’s no hiding it away because that keeps it as a taboo topic

This is much more than simply organising a supply chain. Let's have a man talking to - from his own quote - young girls, about something that is very personal and private. I'm all for getting boys to understand what happens during a period so that they can support their partner if she* has difficult or painful periods, but again 'from a young age'? What does he mean by that?

*That sentence could be seen as transphobic. If you tried hard enough. Oh dear.

“Driving the discussion” in that context doesn’t mean actually doing discussions or even being there when they happen. It’s just a statement of an organisational goal. Much the same way a project manager for PSHE curriculum in a press release would say “it’s about driving the discussion from a young age on healthy relationships”

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 00:45

Foronenightonly22 · 16/08/2022 00:42

Did you look at the article. In the photos that looks to be a young girl with him - being mansplained to. 🤮

The level of vitroil being directed to this man is ridiculous. You cannot possibly take that from a single photo.

Maybe he's explaining what the role involves, the stakeholders & communities they're hoping to engage with etc etc.

LucyIRL · 16/08/2022 00:47

Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

GOOD GRIEF!!!

Next they will be hiring MALE GYNAECOLOGISTS and MALE MIDWIVES to peek up women's private parts.

Give me the smelling salts, at one.

IrisVersicolor · 16/08/2022 00:52

Well I’ve never met a male gynae I could talk to easily in the way I can with a woman. The fact it’s all theoretical to them doesn’t help. I’m fine with male doctors generally.

Whohastheenergyfotthis · 16/08/2022 00:54

@Rainbowshit It’s a fantastic move from Scotland, best to focus on that part of the news.

if the man is qualified to do the job then it’s got to be fine for him to get the job. You never know at 33k it might be that he was the only qualified applicant, male or female. If they didn’t hire him on the basis that he’s a man they would have serious explaining to do, that would be grounds for legal action.

oakleaffy · 16/08/2022 00:55

Fuck right off!
It's an indignity, appointing a man for this role.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/08/2022 00:57

The very last thing in the world I would have wanted as a girl was having men talk about my womb and vagina. It was humiliating enough having boys talk about periods because, hey, it was interesting to them that they could talk about girls' bodies instead of girls as sentient humans, it involved vaginas (hurr, hurr, hurr), putting things inside vaginas (as per the bag snatches where they'd search and a box of tampons was the top prize, dancing around with them, shouting 'You're not a virgin!' and other vile stuff) and, most important of all, it kept the girls in their place with boys taking control through humiliation and mockery. All giving boys information about menstruation did was give them more words to target girls with.

Then, as you got older, you'd have men treating you as unclean because you were menstruating, accusing you of being on the blob if you weren't happy about how they were treating you, mocking you for feeling like crap or telling you that it can't be that bad, really, repeating misogynistic stuff like 'never trust an animal that can bleed for week a month and not die' and then there's the practicalities, of finding toilet facilities that haven't been colonised by males for various reasons, of dysfunctional menstruation being dismissed by doctors, and so on.

And it's now something a bloke gets paid a fuckton to lecture us about menstruation because he's the best person to talk about women, girls and their bodies? Piss off.

Pallisers · 16/08/2022 00:57

Next they will be hiring MALE GYNAECOLOGISTS and MALE MIDWIVES to peek up women's private parts.

Oh the hysteria. Love the CAPS. But well done for not including "pearl clutching" in your post.

Many women would prefer not to be treated by a male gynae or a male midwife. My friend who was digitally raped by her first gynae as a teen certainly wouldn't. I would not consent to a mammogram performed by a male nurse - nothing to do with him personally but those are my boundaries.

If you are going to discuss this at least avoid ridiculing women's hard-earned worries about men having access to their vaginas.

montysma1 · 16/08/2022 00:58

The higher spending per head is due to the smaller population size in relation to its geography. Spending per head head is a neasure used by idiots.

IrisVersicolor · 16/08/2022 01:00

Love that Martina Navratilova has waded in.

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 16/08/2022 01:02

Yea I’m with the half of people who think it’s ridiculous.
I personally think that services/projects that centre on female specific issues should be led top/down by mainly female workers. It just make sense. I’d feel the same about say a mens mental health issue being championed by a woman.I generally though that we were trying to get to a place where services like these are led by people who are “expert by experience”. I don’t believe there wasn’t a women equally qualified (especially seeing as his history is accounts and PT which seem hardly relevant to this role).

I Know people are suggesting he won’t have an “on the ground” type role in terms on engaging with girls, yet he seems to be the face of the project in that article.