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Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

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Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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TheLassWiADelicateAir · 07/09/2022 20:30

foliageeverywhere · 07/09/2022 18:52

Well I'm now eating my hat, apologies @tigger1001 Grin

That's insane.

A man who lost his job as period dignity officer is pursuing legal action against the group that hired him.
Jason Grant is taking action under the Equality Act, with the possibility of a sexual discrimination claim.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62826983

I'm not sure how he can frame it as sex discrimination but I think he has a claim for breach of contract.

tigger1001 · 07/09/2022 20:45

"not sure how he can frame it as sex discrimination but I think he has a claim for breach of contract."

As he is only just in the post can the employer not dismiss him for any reason apart from things protected under the equality act?

My knowledge on this is a little sketchy so I'm not 100% sure. But I did wonder if that's why he is saying sex discrimination.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/09/2022 21:08

tigger1001 · 07/09/2022 20:45

"not sure how he can frame it as sex discrimination but I think he has a claim for breach of contract."

As he is only just in the post can the employer not dismiss him for any reason apart from things protected under the equality act?

My knowledge on this is a little sketchy so I'm not 100% sure. But I did wonder if that's why he is saying sex discrimination.

Well, it would be hard for his bestie to admit 'yes, I made sure that the job wasn't properly advertised and recruited within ten minutes because I really, really like him and didn't want a qualified woman, I just wanted him and thought nobody would notice' without risking her own position.

So it has to be framed as 'Look, the bad people hate you because you're a man so you've got to go' - the alternative calls her professionalism and judgement into account. Which gives him scope to make a claim on the basis of discrimination, rather than just ending his employment (as they would have been able to do with anyone who had been inappropriately recruited or in another way unsuitable/unqualified for a role). I thought that he might have been offered a settlement, but maybe the fuckup has been so huge with recruitment that she's been told 'just get rid of him, we are not paying him anything more because he shouldn't have been offered the job in the first place'.

I did wonder whether there's any danger of her volunteering to resign in support. I doubt it, though - the people most responsible for these things never do unless there's a massive payoff involved.

CrabbitBastard · 08/09/2022 08:38

I did wonder about the settlement thing - surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to just let him go without a settlement / notice pay or something? If they did give him a settlement, would he still have a case for sex discrimination, wouldn't there be an NDA included? He might be able to argue that they exposed him to harrassment etc by giving him the job but he didn't need to accept it!

KittenKong · 08/09/2022 09:06

If the position is killed / then it’s redundancy?

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 09:24

He hasn't been made redundant, he still has a job with the college as this was a secondment, so I imagine he is back in his original role? The position has been axed but he hasn't been sacked.

foliageeverywhere · 08/09/2022 09:27

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 09:24

He hasn't been made redundant, he still has a job with the college as this was a secondment, so I imagine he is back in his original role? The position has been axed but he hasn't been sacked.

Surely that would be a tad awkward given one of the women he's suing also gave him that university/college job?

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 11:29

Who is he suing though? He was recruited for a job funded by a partnership of different organisations but "hosted" by one of them (as it would be difficult to recruit via four organisations) He still has A job (likely on the same conditions as the one he applied) but not the one he applied for so if he wasn't sacked I am not sure what he is suing against?

He would have been recruited by a panel of people for any job he has gained as the process for public sector recruitment is very transparent in terms of short listing and interviewing, in my experience anyway.

AlisonDonut · 08/09/2022 12:25

the process for public sector recruitment is very transparent in terms of short listing and interviewing, in my experience anyway.

That's why it was only open for a few days and hidden away in the wrong section! So that they could pretend it was tranparent when it really wasn't.

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 12:30

AlisonDonut · 08/09/2022 12:25

the process for public sector recruitment is very transparent in terms of short listing and interviewing, in my experience anyway.

That's why it was only open for a few days and hidden away in the wrong section! So that they could pretend it was tranparent when it really wasn't.

I didn't realise that - it was advertised in the wrong section of what? Do you think all of those on the panel were "in" on him being recruited if they worked in different organisations? Surely not - my experience of shortlisting is that you aren't even aware of a gender when shortlisting. The others who didn't work with him already wouldn't have known him?

AlisonDonut · 08/09/2022 13:01

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 12:30

I didn't realise that - it was advertised in the wrong section of what? Do you think all of those on the panel were "in" on him being recruited if they worked in different organisations? Surely not - my experience of shortlisting is that you aren't even aware of a gender when shortlisting. The others who didn't work with him already wouldn't have known him?

Is it worth reading the whole thread do you think?

It's all up there ^

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 13:13

AlisonDonut · 08/09/2022 13:01

Is it worth reading the whole thread do you think?

It's all up there ^

Don't see anything that proves anything in terms of the recruitment process, one person doesn't make a decision on who is recruited - the whole panel do. A lot of what is said seems to be based on twitter hearsay apart from the issue with the advert which seems to have been advertised in a strange way.

RhannionKPSS · 08/09/2022 13:14

The Courier are doing a grand job & long may they do so.

StrictlyPrue · 08/09/2022 13:19

RhannionKPSS · 08/09/2022 13:14

The Courier are doing a grand job & long may they do so.

He might get a job with them at the end of it all - they so seem to be treating him as som kind of poster boy now - after they did a good job of whipping up a storm with some misleading headlines and lack of context articles

RhannionKPSS · 08/09/2022 16:41

It’s not The Courier that did the misleading...

ImperioMarch · 08/09/2022 16:54

I don't think the courier has been misleading at all. If anything, they are asking the right questions.

AlisonDonut · 08/09/2022 17:49

So open and transparent, that when an FOI request was put in, they declined saying that so few people applied (due to it being an open and transparent recruitment campaign) that releasing information on the process would be identifying.

You seem to think we're making all this up. It's all there for you to do your research if you are that concerned about a bloke whose friend makes sure he is in employment to the extent of hiding the job advert so nobody else will apply.

Tha · 08/09/2022 18:19

Hmmm so according to the 1000s of comments on reddit he's going to win the case hands-down. (One rather amusing comment saying they went to high school with him and he was a total prick who bullied them but I digress). None of the articles being shared, however, mention any of the stuff that's being discussed / speculated / questioned / shared on twitter or here.

The frustrating thing is that while this started with people questioning the optics / appointment of a male, it all seemed to be water off a ducks back for them UNTIL we started digging.

Connections on SM with at least 2 / 4 women on the panel. Job history which doesn't even hint that he was the best candidate for the job. Hadn't so much as retweeted a charity or shared an article about anything remotely relevant before he was appointed. The whole "it's only a PM / Logistics role" when there were photos of him grinning like a fucking loon beside a teenage girl / young woman who's body language screamed "get me the fuck out of this now". That's without reading the job description which mentions community outreach. The fact it was only advertised for a week, in the wrong section, with people saying they'd have applied and the salary seemed overly generous.

I could go on.

But since basically none of that is being talked about outside "our circle"... I fear he is probably going to walk away on top.

RJnomore1 · 08/09/2022 18:54

Can anyone explain how it was advertised in the wrong place? Genuine question

foliageeverywhere · 08/09/2022 19:12

RJnomore1 · 08/09/2022 18:54

Can anyone explain how it was advertised in the wrong place? Genuine question

Apparently the job was placed in the wrong category - so if you had alerts set up or were job hunting for this kind of role, you would have missed it.

There's a screenshot on twitter somewhere, & probably in the thread.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/09/2022 21:49

foliageeverywhere · 08/09/2022 19:12

Apparently the job was placed in the wrong category - so if you had alerts set up or were job hunting for this kind of role, you would have missed it.

There's a screenshot on twitter somewhere, & probably in the thread.

Posting a thirty four grand non teaching job in Teachers/Lecturers instead of Community Learning and Development is the dodgy recruiter's equivalent of placing it on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard'.

RJnomore1 · 09/09/2022 00:01

It isn’t a CLD post. Not by a massive stretch.

I’ve managed to find it on MJS and it’s under sports/culture/libraries, and events. It might not be the same everywhere but the HR team choose tags for me I don’t do that when I put posts up, I have had a look at the categories and I’m not sure where it would fit nicely tbh.

i genuinely wish I could believe there was enough consideration given to anything for this to be a conspiracy but that parts just a shit online system.

As I said the time the vacancy was open is odd and anyone who felt they missed the chance to apply should definitely complain but as a tip to anyone looking for a job, you’re better setting alerts for organisations and salary bands than categories. There’s no consistency in those.

Waitwhat23 · 09/09/2022 07:53

Given that a qualification in Community Education (old name for CLD) is in the 'desirable' column of the job description, It's hardly a 'massive stretch' to say (as I did previously) that this could have been an interesting secondment opportunity for an experienced CLD worker. You are correct that it's not specifically a CLD post but neither it is really a teaching/lecturer post which is the category it was apparently originally posted in.

RJnomore1 · 09/09/2022 08:35

It’s as much of a CLD post as work in a food bank would be, less actually as there’s no supporting volunteering role. They can put what they like as desirables.

Waitwhat23 · 09/09/2022 08:45

They can. But they chose to put those specific desirables. Again, hardly a 'massive stretch'.