Guilt Free Railing 12

[WouldBeGood]

The railing goes on

@WouldBeGood

David Attenborough will be doing a show: “And here we are, looking at the 101st Railing thread. Started back in 2021, Wouldbegood can be seen sobbing and beating her head off the walls of her Covid secure padded cell, cries of desks if escaping from the N95 mask now compulsory at all times. Her offspring are being cared for in the State Anti Illness facilities, but are still waiting for free laptops to access the only permitted learning”

I can picture it now. With the latest Covid Briefing playing on an endless loop in the background.

“Please be patient for just a few more weeks…”
“IT’S BEEN EIGHTY-THREE SODDING YEARS NICOLA!”
“Citizen 86548, please refrain from swearing at the screen as this is a known covid risk.”

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God I never thought I would say that I wanted Borris going into Winter 2 of this pandemic

But he's set out plans and many different options and confirmed that different aspects can be selected!
Whilst we have thou shalt not take a mask off, attend school mask less and produce your vaccination passport on demand!

My work is still following SG guidelines on working from home if possible...... 19 months and I'm pretty fed up with it now! They haven't even opened for those with rubbish set ups so I have several colleagues who are still working on a bed as they live in house shares!

I tried to book a birthday party at the zoo today, still not running due to covid distancing measures. Loving this normality!

@mapleleavesreturn

I tried to book a birthday party at the zoo today, still not running due to covid distancing measures. Loving this normality!

I think it's highly likely that DS will have yet another birthday in a lockdown scenario as he's a winter child! OK I know this is hardly a massive issue but when it will be his 3rd birthday so he will have had more birthdays spent in the fiasco than out then it's pretty shite for him and us!

Look back on photos oh look it was the 3 of us and a cake!

Yeah, my youngest’s nursery still has the big sandpit closed off because of government covid guidance. I checked the gov guidance to see if they were indeed saying things this mad, and yes, yes they are! Including saying that nursery mud kitchens must be cleaned regularly.

Still, at least they’re allowed to sing together at nursery now I suppose, after nine months of that being forbidden Because Covid.

@GoldenOmber

Yeah, my youngest’s nursery still has the big sandpit closed off because of government covid guidance. I checked the gov guidance to see if they were indeed saying things this mad, and yes, yes they are! Including saying that nursery mud kitchens must be cleaned regularly.

Still, at least they’re allowed to sing together at nursery now I suppose, after nine months of that being forbidden Because Covid.

We have sand in our setting. We'd get rid of a child developed Covid. And replace when things settled down.

We have sand in our setting. We'd get rid of a child developed Covid. And replace when things settled down.

Oh that’s good! Maybe ours will come back in time. They have mixed groups outside and so can’t clean the sandpit equipment between different groups, seems to be the issue.

@sartorius

I'm railing about the restriction still placed on our students education compared to elsewhere. Over on another thread there's parents horrified about how much is online in Scottish universities again. One person's daughter paying £9,000 a year to Edinburgh uni for one hr f2f a fortnight! Another Edinburgh student is only getting a normal uni education this year as she's gone to a university abroad on an exchange. Meanwhile there's lecturers from English unis on saying they are running a near normal programme at their unis.

My DD1 has 1/3 in person teaching and rest online and that seems to be quite good by what I'm reading.
We're going to have a load of our scientists, nurses, engineers etc lacking the appropriate skills in a few yrs time

But heyho they can go to cinemas, nightclubs and the likes with no restrictions

Yes, I saw that thread. This is soooooo going to kick off in the media in the next week or so. It is outrageous - especially as the uni has been saying students (and staff to be fair) have to be on campus. Also, today NS stated that physical distancing will remain on campus. This is the first unis have heard of this (assuming its formal guidance and 1m, and not just "try to where possible") and DHs department were assuming the rules in the rest of society would apply (masks indoors etc) but nothing extra. They did allocate rooms based on 1m distancing, but then ended up with loads more students than planned. But by that time the 1m had been dropped, so they thought they would be able to fit the extra students they needed into the rooms at less than 1m. But if 1m is now the rule again, they'll have to move those classes back online. Or play some loud thumpy music and rebrand as a nightclub, maybe. What a shitshow.

@WouldBeGood

David Attenborough will be doing a show: “And here we are, looking at the 101st Railing thread. Started back in 2021, Wouldbegood can be seen sobbing and beating her head off the walls of her Covid secure padded cell, cries of desks if escaping from the N95 mask now compulsory at all times. Her offspring are being cared for in the State Anti Illness facilities, but are still waiting for free laptops to access the only permitted learning”

Yup. I'm with you, doing the headbanging... Free bikes too. Don't forget the free bikes.

It is really miserable to expect students and secondary school kids to put up with stricter covid restrictions than the rest of us. I’m fed up enough with working from home, and I’m old and boring now. It would have been awful to have spent half of my degree sat alone in a room watching lectures on a screen

My uni course I'm getting 2 hours a week f2f. Went for a tour the other day and it's covid sticker/signpost central. I can go to the union for freshers week though 🤦‍♀️

@Scottishskifun im in a similar position. DD 3 in the winter and supposed to be having her first actual party 😢 it's so trivial but I will be devastated if we have to cancel. They are so little and this shit is all they know

DS saying that he was told that they are only allowed 50 students in a lecture theatre for 400 and, in the labs for 50, they are allowed about 10. So he's getting his two hours f2f a fortnight but that same thing needs to be repeated umpteen times so that everyone gets the 2 hours f2f. That then compromises what else they are able to deliver on-line and so they are not getting a lot of on-line and far less choice of topics as well. Last year they virtually had no choices and just had to do what they were given. It's really shit but i'm not blaming the uni.

@GoldenOmber

We have sand in our setting. We'd get rid of a child developed Covid. And replace when things settled down.

Oh that’s good! Maybe ours will come back in time. They have mixed groups outside and so can’t clean the sandpit equipment between different groups, seems to be the issue.

Bubbles are no longer in place in educational settings though.

Bubbles are no longer in place in educational settings though.

Hmmm. The ELC guidance I’m talking about is here: www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-early-learning-and-childcare-services/pages/outdoor-spaces/

“If outdoor equipment is being used, settings should ensure that multiple groups of children do not use it simultaneously, as well as considering appropriate cleaning between groups of children using it. Staff should clean outdoor sandpit and mud kitchen equipment between use by different groups of children.”

@ElephantOfRisk

DS saying that he was told that they are only allowed 50 students in a lecture theatre for 400 and, in the labs for 50, they are allowed about 10. So he's getting his two hours f2f a fortnight but that same thing needs to be repeated umpteen times so that everyone gets the 2 hours f2f. That then compromises what else they are able to deliver on-line and so they are not getting a lot of on-line and far less choice of topics as well. Last year they virtually had no choices and just had to do what they were given. It's really shit but i'm not blaming the uni.

Yes, this is precisely the issue - and also that each uni and each department is interpreting the guidance slightly differently, which doesn't help! So a tutorial for 30 students has to either be in a lecture theatre for several hundred (which are generally all in use, unsurprisingly, if an entire year group needs to be taught the same stuff in person in groups of less than 50), or has to be split over 3 sessions... Taking up 3 hours of staff time, meaning that member of staff can't do what they "should" be doing in those extra 2 hours, which could well be another course! Whereas peers in an English uni are getting All The Choices and a proper uni experience too. It just feels so embarrassing for Scotland to be "offering" this in comparison.

It’s all still absolutely insane

@GoldenOmber

Bubbles are no longer in place in educational settings though.

Hmmm. The ELC guidance I’m talking about is here: www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-early-learning-and-childcare-services/pages/outdoor-spaces/

“If outdoor equipment is being used, settings should ensure that multiple groups of children do not use it simultaneously, as well as considering appropriate cleaning between groups of children using it. Staff should clean outdoor sandpit and mud kitchen equipment between use by different groups of children.”

This just seems so contradictory to what starry said, which is what I thought the rules were too! I'm sure they don't go over their guidance and see if it's internally consistent with the new rules when they change... It's just so messy (about as messy as a mud kitchen, cleaned or not, I reckon...)

There is no fucking end point in sight is there? More and more vaccine coercion, bullying, threat of greater restrictions. Next there'll be a call for younger kids to be vaccinated - for an illness that is so mild in many that they don't know they have it?

Wish they would spend all the money being spent on the Covid-carnival (testing, test and protect, advertising) on addressing poverty and deprivation, supporting healthy lifestyles and positive mental health, tackling obesity and the myriad of reasons people suffer poorer health outcomes. In the long term this would protect the NHS more than another fucking lockdown

DS nursery have been using the sandpit and mud kitchen throughout but they haven't been able to use the softplay room at all due to cleaning requirements for it 🙄

The guidelines are so out of date as well to what the risk is especially outdoor sandpits and mud kitchens!

It does worry me how much DS thinks so much of this stuff is normal especially masks and hand sanitiser which is so horrific for his skin but he wants to copy everyone else.

And the sandpit in DS school has been closed off since March 2020

Yes I saw you over on the other higher Ed thread @ResilienceWanker
It's so embarrassing!

There's now a parent saying they will not allow their other children to come to university in Scotland and if they'd known about the disproportionate restrictions on students her DD wouldn't have returned.

Does anyone know why universities have to operate with social distancing when nowhere else does now?

Its up to each individual uni i think

@ssd

Its up to each individual uni i think

I didn't hear NS today but apparently she said universities were returning with social distancing🤷🏼‍♀️

@ElephantOfRisk

DS saying that he was told that they are only allowed 50 students in a lecture theatre for 400 and, in the labs for 50, they are allowed about 10. So he's getting his two hours f2f a fortnight but that same thing needs to be repeated umpteen times so that everyone gets the 2 hours f2f. That then compromises what else they are able to deliver on-line and so they are not getting a lot of on-line and far less choice of topics as well. Last year they virtually had no choices and just had to do what they were given. It's really shit but i'm not blaming the uni.

I think your DS is at the same uni as my DS @ElephantOfRisk - Strathclyde?

My DS us a first year and has been told that he will be in 3 times before Christmas.

Really shit. But at least I'm not forking out £150 per week for pointless accommodation. I would be RAGING if he'd accepted a place further away from home, only to discover that he was getting 2 hours or less a week. It's just not good enough.

Get the vaccines, students! So you can.... sit on your own in a room and stare at a screen.