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WouldBeGood · 01/09/2021 15:28

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ssd · 13/09/2021 16:33

@listentomydeclaration

The benefits are definitely to education - no more masks in class, no more disruption from self isolating, no more crappy remote learning, no more missed exams and so on.

Personally I don't see how any parent can object (unless their child was medically exempt from the vaccine).

Well they can object as is their right.
Explosivefarts · 13/09/2021 16:33

Thankfully they are saying it’s a choice looking at everything they have said during the briefing. I will 100% not be getting my children vaccinated and they agree thankfully .

Scottishskifun · 13/09/2021 17:04

@listentomydeclaration

The benefits are definitely to education - no more masks in class, no more disruption from self isolating, no more crappy remote learning, no more missed exams and so on.

Personally I don't see how any parent can object (unless their child was medically exempt from the vaccine).

Because the medical studies have also shown a increased risk of heart swelling as a side effect in young males especially. It's also why they are currently saying 1 jab and not 2. My DS is way too young for it but I certainly wouldn't be rushing to get him vaccinated based on that risk until I had seen more research papers into it.
forfucksakenett · 13/09/2021 17:18

@listentomydeclaration

The benefits are definitely to education - no more masks in class, no more disruption from self isolating, no more crappy remote learning, no more missed exams and so on.

Personally I don't see how any parent can object (unless their child was medically exempt from the vaccine).

There won't be a big enough uptake to allow any of this to come to fruition.

Uptake in the 16-17 category seems pretty low and I think it will be even lower the younger you go.

runningpink · 13/09/2021 17:21

Have they actually stated it would be no more masks in school, isolation etc of kids have vaccine?

Even if they have , when have the government ever followed through with promises.

sartorius · 13/09/2021 17:27

Well the students who all got double jagged in good faith are still finding disruption to their education this yr so I wouldn't hold your breath!

Really glad I don't have to make this decision as mine now all over 16 and recently jagged

ssd · 13/09/2021 17:35

I feel for parents of youngsters, especially the boys. Im a worrier anyway and the thought of myocarditis, however small, would make me very wary. Especially since we hardly go abroad so all the vaccine passports stuff wouldn't trouble us. Its balancing out the risk...is it really worth it to boys this young?

ResilienceWanker · 13/09/2021 17:39

@listentomydeclaration

ha! Gregor whatshisname was clearly telt to put a saltire on the screen beside him Hmm
Grin Gotta love the brand identity.

I'm glad DS is under 12, I have to say. I think overall I'd err on the side of waiting, especially as he has already had covid with basically no symptoms so will already have some antibodies and presumably once those wane, his immune system will have a head start the next time it encounters a different version of the virus. Had the JCVI come out with an actual recommendation based on direct benefit I may have been more convinced. But this approach just seems a bit political tbh. And I agree that I don't think in Scotland (where the SG is still trying to retain the powers to close schools "just in case") this approach will lead to any reduction in disruption, masks etc.

Does anyone remember when the 6 week review of the current school mitigations is due?

KingsleyShacklebolt · 13/09/2021 18:05

3-17 per million a risk of myocarditis for 12-15 boys.

2 per million a risk of Covid making them seriously ill.

I'm very, very conflicted about my 13 year old son. I think this is a political decision and not a medical one.

runningpink · 13/09/2021 18:06

Last week in September perhaps for the review?

Ladylunchalot · 13/09/2021 18:07

DD (15) and Ds (12) were both vaccinated last month due to dh being immunosuppressed. We spoke to them both about it and they both wanted it done. They've both been absolutely fine.

Ladylunchalot · 13/09/2021 18:09

Have to add that as Ds has epilepsy it's always a worry if he spikes a temperature as that can trigger a seizure. With high temperature being a main covid symptom I wanted to do anything I could to prevent him catching covid and also to protect dh.

Remoteso · 13/09/2021 18:16

Whilst it's great the option for the vaccine is now there for situations where there are vulnerable family members etc for otherwise healthy 12-15 year olds it's really not shown that there's a benefit in getting it.

I don't believe for a second it'll make a difference to schools remaining open if there's a winter wave.

My DC aren't old enough and I'm relieved - I do sign the flu vaccine consent every year with the understanding that it's not primarily for their benefit though so I'm by no means a vaccine naysayer.

mapleleavesreturn · 13/09/2021 18:24

I'm glad that families with a vulnerable family member have the option too.

ResilienceWanker · 13/09/2021 18:26

@runningpink

Last week in September perhaps for the review?
Thanks... Yes, that sounds about right. It just FEELS like they've been back at school forever.
Scottishskifun · 13/09/2021 18:26

@Ladylunchalot

Have to add that as Ds has epilepsy it's always a worry if he spikes a temperature as that can trigger a seizure. With high temperature being a main covid symptom I wanted to do anything I could to prevent him catching covid and also to protect dh.
I completely get this and it's sensible I had a very high fever for 12 days!

I think for some families it's definitely beneficial. My DN is 15 and wants it as he spends a lot of time with my DPs and both have risk factors despite being double vaccinated.

I do think it's wrong to brush over parents concerns if they don't wish for their children to have it or vilify them when risk of serious illness from covid is so low for their age group.

ElephantOfRisk · 13/09/2021 18:27

My DS is older but had to take himself to hospital with heart issues after the vaccination so if I had younger DC who are low risk of getting covid issues, i'd not be vaccinating them.

In other news, DS1 is getting 2 hours face to face every 2nd week for the first term of Uni this year, so around 10 hours in total for the term.

listentomydeclaration · 13/09/2021 18:34

I'm truly shocked by how many parents are against it, even to the extent of calling Chris Whitty 'josef mengele' on Twitter.

I will be encouraging my DD to get the vaccine as I want her to be safe and to keep her wider family safe. She knows its her choice and has said she will get it.

Children abroad in the family have gotten it and are all fine (both sexes)

runningpink · 13/09/2021 18:39

@ResilienceWanker I had actually forgotten about the 6 week thing until you mentioned it.

Explosivefarts · 13/09/2021 18:40

@runningpink

Have they actually stated it would be no more masks in school, isolation etc of kids have vaccine?

Even if they have , when have the government ever followed through with promises.

No they haven’t and Chris Witty said no children should be disadvantaged in any way for not taking the vaccine . So I can’t see them dropping isolation etc just for vaccinated kids.
sartorius · 13/09/2021 18:41

In other news, DS1 is getting 2 hours face to face every 2nd week for the first term of Uni this year, so around 10 hours in total for the term.

And this just illustrates perfectly that the students who all went ahead in their droves to get vaccinated are STILL going to have a very disrupted education.

Groovee · 13/09/2021 18:43

So next weekend was roughly the first 6 weeks of staff wearing masks in school. I regularly forget in the dinner hall while helping with lunch but it's mainly children I am with at that point.

Wonder if it will be discussed. I had 12 supply emails through this morning. And a friend was having to go in this morning as they had 7 staff off today.

BlameItOnTheBlackStar · 13/09/2021 19:07

@listentomydeclaration

I'm truly shocked by how many parents are against it, even to the extent of calling Chris Whitty 'josef mengele' on Twitter.

I will be encouraging my DD to get the vaccine as I want her to be safe and to keep her wider family safe. She knows its her choice and has said she will get it.

Children abroad in the family have gotten it and are all fine (both sexes)

Josef Mengele FFS

So many people are just so fucking thick.

ssd · 13/09/2021 19:12

I dont think the jags for 12-15 yr olds will make a difference in schools problems. I'd for get that idea. Unless the nhs is properly funded it will be another winter of more of the same. Kids ,to me, are getting jagged as our nhs has been so badly run, nit much more. Personally i wouldn't be getting my 2 done. When they were wee, it was andrew Wakefield and the mmr panic causing autism. And it was a big decision, but i remember there was proof that getting the mmr was still in their favour.
This isn't as clear. In fact for boys its more harming possibly than covid. Id leave it if it was me and if that meant no tenerife for a whilei couldn't care less.

ResilienceWanker · 13/09/2021 19:19

@listentomydeclaration

I'm truly shocked by how many parents are against it, even to the extent of calling Chris Whitty 'josef mengele' on Twitter.

I will be encouraging my DD to get the vaccine as I want her to be safe and to keep her wider family safe. She knows its her choice and has said she will get it.

Children abroad in the family have gotten it and are all fine (both sexes)

Yes, but twitter is bonkers. I'm obviously not going that far - its not experimentation ffs. Some parents will encourage it, some will discourage it, some will leave it up to the kids. But it's definitely not a no-brainer for that age group, or 16-17 yo for that matter, and I don't think children or parents who are reluctant should be ostracised the way adults (even young adults) who choose not to have it are (not that that's right either of course).

In some families it may well keep the wider family safe, or the child if vulnerable (like ladylunchalot). In others, if the family is healthy the risk to the child may be weighted higher than any potential benefit to the family. It needs to be considered as an individual thing imo, because I don't see any benefit coming their way in Scotland as a result, to merit the "societal good" argument.

And if the SG start threatening vaccine passports or any differential treatment in schools depending on vaccine status, I'm going to tell on them to Chris Whitty.