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WouldBeGood · 09/07/2021 21:09

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rookiemere · 12/07/2021 20:14

I don't think it was me personally @ssd - or maybe it was and I look suspicious- I think they have a high value per item thing set at £4 Shock.

I might give Aldi another go - super speedy scanning AND no chit chat. Just annoying family insisting on branded items.

ssd · 12/07/2021 20:41

They told me it was just random but now I'm worried i look dodgy..

Michellexxx · 12/07/2021 20:50

This was an interesting read- can I say I’m under 35 and me and all my friends/husband friends/younger sisters etc have had the first vaccination.
I don’t think it’s the issue of uptake, I don’t know anyone who has refused. I tried to get my vaccine slightly early, and was outright refused. A friend tried a few days early, and was also refused. She now has to delay second jab.
The inflexibility here, especially compared to England, is outstanding. There is not clinical need to stop people receiving second jab a bit earlier- if would bring case rates down.
I asked about left overs and was told they still wouldn’t administer to anyone below 8w. Every other country is doing 3w! It’s madness !

ssd · 12/07/2021 20:59

I agree with you. I got my 2nd jab about 10 weeks by turning up at a vaccination centre and digging my heels in till i got it. The reception staff were adamant i wasn't getting it then a nurse just changed her mind as the place closed. It was a real fight though and it didn't have to be.

Lockdownbear · 12/07/2021 21:11

Was there not some research that showed 8 weeks gap was optimal for immunity?

Goodness only nows but given the way covid rattled it's way round the students in September, OK they live in halls etc, but I just don't see how secondary schools can be regarded covid safe until teens are vaccinated. Given they way the are in such close proximity to each other.

Has any data been given on number of kids and adults I suppose who have picked up covid in schools?

Michellexxx · 12/07/2021 21:18

With AZ and Moderna (4w) there are specific timelines. The 8w shows perhaps a slight increase- but this isn’t through a controlled study, it is via an app/some sampling.
All other countries are offering second dose sooner, so if this delay was so effective, they would certainly be doing it. It was a political decision initially, many more had a first dose quickly.
However, now there’s a whole section of society unable to travel easily, amongst other things.
I’m a teacher and will not be able to go on my long awaited holiday because I won’t be considered fully vaccinated until 5 days before school returns. So I won’t get away, again. But I’ll be ok for work. I know this sounds small in the grand scheme, but it’s been a year and a half, and I’ve had another baby in all this time.
We also have to quarantine and pay for tests. It just seems so nonsensical when the drop ins (which should’ve been open weeks ago) are empty.
A quick look on Reddit, and you can find plenty of centres offering second dose early, if people accept their immunity might be slightly reduced. Personal responsibility- not dictated to by government.
If we’re to be offered a third jab too, then this seems mad. Some might have had a third before younger people have had a second!

mibbelucieachwell · 13/07/2021 09:42

Another non covid rail. Flooding cancelled all trains from Euston yesterday evening. No availability going via Edinburgh from Kings Cross so we had to get a mega bus (via half of England and Edinburgh). 10 and a half hours

However DS' final degree performance did go ahead this time round, albeit with a last minute (fantastic) player standing in for a student who had tested positive for covid. I hope the examiners take this into account. It was that or wait until September to finish his degree which would be a nuisance for everyone.

Anyway we enjoyed the performance were the proud family and met some of his friends so this is only a partial rail.

ResilienceWanker · 13/07/2021 09:54

OMG...that's a true railworthy rail rail, mibbe. I saw the flooding on the news. Sounds a nightmare. I loathe long distance buses. But glad the music side of things went well!

Bytheloch · 13/07/2021 09:54

Quite literally a rail topic @mibbelucieachwell sounds a long day, but brilliant for your DS to achieve under all the circumstances.
You also need a certificate for that Mega bus journey home! Shock

@Michellexxx so much respect for teachers- I’m sorry you can’t even get a holiday in, urgh, hope things have improved for an October week chance to get away?

Direwolfwrangler · 13/07/2021 09:55

@Lockdownbear there is very little data which can definitively point to whether kids and adults have picked up Covid in a school / care setting. There are too many variables, especially now so much else is open.

Anecdotally, I know that recent cases have links to multiple places - schools, exercise classes, garden parties etc. Unless an individual only ever attends school (and their families also do not go out) it would be a best guess at where it’s picked up.

rookiemere · 13/07/2021 10:01

@Direwolfwrangler when pretty much everything was closed bar schools there was growth in the children and teen Covid numbers. I'd be hugely surprised if it didn't with poorly ventilated classrooms
Can only hope enough of the little people got it last time round that it doesn't ruin the third year of school for children.

Lockdownbear · 13/07/2021 10:28

See that's my logic, Glasgow shortly followed by Lanarkshire were in Lockdown from September through to Christmas. Restaurants were only open for a short time and limited hours before Christmas.

So surely they know where it was spreading. It has to have been in schools or somewhere else Scot Gov couldn't close like hospitals.

Scottishskifun · 13/07/2021 10:43

@Lockdownbear

See that's my logic, Glasgow shortly followed by Lanarkshire were in Lockdown from September through to Christmas. Restaurants were only open for a short time and limited hours before Christmas.

So surely they know where it was spreading. It has to have been in schools or somewhere else Scot Gov couldn't close like hospitals.

They have always had the details of this via track and trace it has got more complicated as stuff eases up therefore trickier to pinpoint but some cases is definitely possible.

Hospitals have always been hot spots schools weren't so much so until the Kent variant. Most school closures were kept out of the news though

Puddington · 13/07/2021 11:28

@ssd

They told me it was just random but now I'm worried i look dodgy..
This happened to us at least 4 times in a row since we started trying out scan as you shop at our local Tesco, they never found anything we had presumably tried to nick but we got so sick of it flagging up every single time (and I've used it in other Tescos before without an issue) that we just queue up for the tills now. Shame because I liked seeing the total add up as you scanned.
ResilienceWanker · 13/07/2021 11:34

@Lockdownbear

See that's my logic, Glasgow shortly followed by Lanarkshire were in Lockdown from September through to Christmas. Restaurants were only open for a short time and limited hours before Christmas.

So surely they know where it was spreading. It has to have been in schools or somewhere else Scot Gov couldn't close like hospitals.

Yes... T & P seems to have given up contact tracing anything apart from "high risk" settings. Which they say are things like hospitals, care settings, prisons etc, education settings (though presumably not Scottish schools any more given the holidays), parties, pubs if you're a member of staff, airports and food processing areas etc. They've totally stopped asking about shops, gyms, cinemas, indoor places like museums etc, hairdressers and so on, seemingly, and didn't even seem too bothered about hospitality as long as you wore masks while walking around Confused. I'm really not sure what useful information they are gathering about spread from venues at the moment. They will be saying it's spreading through parties and close contacts and so on, because that's all they are asking about!

I don't think schools really were a problem until the delta variant (and possibly alpha, though we never really got a chance to find out, because they closed them!) which seems to spread if you look at someone the wrong way. It makes sense to me, that if (young) children don't splurt out very much virus when infections, cos they are small and tend to be less ill, so less coughy, they won't make much of an inroad in infecting someone where lots of virus is needed, but if less is needed, they could be more "dangerous". Hence why primary schools were being wiped out in May/June, but not so much in August. Plus the children themselves being apparently less susceptible to the original variant than delta - though still less ill if infected. So they moved from being infected incidentally, or just affected by teachers etc being ill, to being possible drivers of infection themselves because they had so many more contacts on a regular basis at school, than the rest of society.

Lockdownbear · 13/07/2021 11:43

I don't think it's spread so much amongst primary kids, where they are with the same 30 kids all the time also they said initially young kids didn't seem to spread, it although I know someone convinced it was their 4yo who brought the house down with covid.

I cannot buy the argument that it was unsafe for teens not to attend Uni tutorials, or college, yet it was safe for teens to attend school.

When they tested the students in Autumn they were full of covid, yet secondary schools weren't.Something just doesn't make sense.

Flossy05 · 13/07/2021 11:49

We had relatively few cases in our high school and primaries throughout (although it was all kicking off at the end of term).
If schools return with no mitigations, I have no doubt that kids will drop like flies and this will of course impact unprotected/not fully vaccinated parents. I don’t see how there won’t be major disruption to education if teens are not offered the vaccine. I fear for CEV children, CEV teachers and parents. And of course we don’t really know what the impact of long covid could be for our kids.
I was resigned to the situation during the last school year but seeing our kids thrown into a hotbed of COVID, potential without any infection control measures, presumably to gain herd immunity among this population without vaccination is concerning.
We have all been screwed by this, one way or another but it seems that our kids are being shafted over and over again.

Flossy05 · 13/07/2021 11:52

*potentially

ResilienceWanker · 13/07/2021 12:05

I know... It is all a bit illogical. I think the difference between uni students and school students is that the spread tended to be in the halls of residence/ student housing, where it just wasn't feasible to have any protection measures. Whereas school students were mixing with their peers in the day, but in their own homes at night, with a bit more space, a bit more cleaning going on, and maybe a bit less sharing bodily fluids with other students though I'm not sure on that one. Plus some high school children, even in the older years, were probably physiologically more like children than adults, so the "pool" was a bit smaller. But overall, I agree, there's nothing really separating a 16 year old from a 17 year old, mixing with others of that age.

I think the main difference was that uni students were assumed to be able to cope better with true blended learning than school students, as most uni courses are blended anyway. Though of course, for much of the year no one ended up getting proper blended learning anyway, either at school or uni - just online!

Scottishskifun · 13/07/2021 12:42

@Lockdownbear

I don't think it's spread so much amongst primary kids, where they are with the same 30 kids all the time also they said initially young kids didn't seem to spread, it although I know someone convinced it was their 4yo who brought the house down with covid.

I cannot buy the argument that it was unsafe for teens not to attend Uni tutorials, or college, yet it was safe for teens to attend school.

When they tested the students in Autumn they were full of covid, yet secondary schools weren't.Something just doesn't make sense.

The new variants definitely spread in the under 12s we definitely got it from DS who is 2 and had no symptoms but was in contact with another asystomatic case in his nursery.

We know this though as both working from home, hadn't seen anyone all shopping was delivered and hadn't been anywhere else other than picking up from nursery which is done at a distance.

But many under 12 cases are asystomatic so unless the parents are testing or develop symptoms and with parents hitting double vaccinated they probably won't know.

The original variant wasn't highly spread by young children though

shouldistop · 13/07/2021 14:12

I missed the update, any news? Will there be freedom or more railing?

SoMuchForSummerLove · 13/07/2021 14:16

It's still on now if you want to listen in.

I'm working too, but as far as I can tell we're all going to Level 0 with face masks still staying. Don't think I could tell you any more with complete reliability. Oh, and moving out of Level 0 should be happening on 9th August, but that'll be decided the week prior.

Someone who listened properly might be along shortly Grin

shouldistop · 13/07/2021 14:21

Thanks, will try to watch later. Currently building with magnet shapes - exciting life I lead.

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IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 13/07/2021 14:21

Seen this on Twitter. Face masks for the foreseeable 🙄

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riverrunning · 13/07/2021 14:22

I love those magnets - such a good toy shouldistop

I've heard nothing against international travel yet...

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