Scunnered .... *insert tier pun

[dancemom]

New thread, couldn't think of a title 🙈

@forfucksakenett

Thanks *@dancemom*!

That's a nice percentage today. The end is near surely?!

😂 Of the Scottish wave, restrictions or covid?

Afraid the last isn't going anywhere sadly!

Dare I have hope….?!

I think we're safe to say the worst of the pandemic is behind us now. That's not to say there won't be 'peaks' if we look for them in winter etc., but there's a very high level of population immunity, (almost) everyone who wants to be is vaccinated, deaths are way down... even NS is making noises that we can get rid of the remaining restrictions in a couple of weeks.

I'm finding it a bit hard to adjust actually! I've come to realise that being in a state of hypervigilance for so long (watching every action, being aware of everyone around me..) has led to a kind of generalised anxiety where if I start to relax my mind tries to pull me back as though that's not safe! I'm hoping that as life really does get back to normal completely and social distancing etc. is dropped, my mind will gradually readjust and accept that it's OK to relax a bit, and actually I don't need to worry about every little thing any more.

Not sure why the laughing face @Scottishskifun ?

The restrictions. I'm aware covid isn't going anywhere.

I get what you mean @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

I was trying to think yesterday how many days it has been since I thought about Covid. If I go back to 1st March last year is 515 days. 515! And it's not like 'thinking about it' is some benign concept; it's 515 days of worrying about it, thinking about whether cases are going up or down, wondering if you have it or have had it, or getting pissed off about restrictions, or talking about it with friends, or doing fucking Zoom fucking quizzes.

I don't know when I'll stop thinking about it at that level tbh - and I've, frankly, had a very good pandemic. If I feel like this, the level of anxiety on a societal level must be incredible.

@forfucksakenett

Not sure why the laughing face *@Scottishskifun* ?

The restrictions. I'm aware covid isn't going anywhere.

Because your often a vocal advocate of SG decisions and many of the restrictions including at points when the case numbers were way way below what they are currently and we were still in tier 3.

Therefore I find it a bit of a ironic

That's exactly it @IncludeWomenInThePrequel. Constant vigilance when out and about - do I have the right distance to everyone, have I sanitised my hands, have I remembered my mask, am I abiding by the rules, what even are the rules this week?, am I going to be challenged on something... Then there's no escape at home either - every day there's the numbers reported, and I end up thinking about that, the trends, the endless commentary. And then there's the uncertainty and the worry about whether the schools will reopen normally or will we have bubbles, the damage to my children of an interrupted childhood, if I'll ever get back into the office, will my GP ever allow routine appointments again, will there be more restrictions in the winter when cases rise again? I still can't have my whole family over at once and be within the rules, everything requires planning but you don't dare plan in case someone gets pinged..

The mental burden is absolutely crippling and I think it will take time to recover psychologically.

Hmm @Scottishskifun don't you let the facts get in the way of a snipey post!

I am not and have never been in favour of all SG decisions. An advanced search would show you that as would a post I wrote this very afternoon stating that I think the way they have handled education this year is disgraceful.

Nor have I been in favour of restrictions forever and ever. Like many people, I am happy to have restrictions in place to protect the vulnerable for as long as is needed. I will listen to experts and trust their judgment on this. I am allowed to hold this position and also be excited / happy that the numbers suggest that the restrictions could soon come to an end. That's not irony. It is a bit ironic, however, that one of the most one sided posters on Scotsnet is attempting to call out others for the very same thing but this is a weird and wonderful place.

@forfucksakenett pretty certain you launched a snidey attack to me about restrictions only a week or two ago and on many other occasions when case numbers have been lower then they are currently....... 🙄

So yes I do find you then hoping they are ending soon ironic especially when numbers are higher now than they were in May!
Your also pretty selective about the experts you will "listen to" and seem to ignore some fairly big ones!

@Scottishskifun it's a completely different situation to May though?

I am allowed to be in favour of restrictions to protect the vulnerable and also be excited about them hopefully ending soon. How bizarre that you would think that's ironic. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[quote forfucksakenett]@Scottishskifun it's a completely different situation to May though?

I am allowed to be in favour of restrictions to protect the vulnerable and also be excited about them hopefully ending soon. How bizarre that you would think that's ironic. 🤷🏻‍♀️[/quote]
I don't see the difference between May all vulnerable people were vaccinated by this point and they were onto the 30s in my area and cases were much lower.

Not sure how you can have both tbh ending restrictions properly also means getting rid of social distancing in areas, not limiting numbers places and return to sitting next to people at events.

Vulnerable people will then have to go back to the same measures that they did before covid to avoid illnesses which is toughgoing on them (my FIL was recovering from cancer for several years) but necessary.

Of course there's a difference between now and May. I'm in my late thirties and didn't receive a vaccination until June.

@StarryEyeSurprise

Of course there's a difference between now and May. I'm in my late thirties and didn't receive a vaccination until June.

Ah so the difference is a personal one. Restrictions can go once individuals are vaccinated gotcha.

The vulnerable people were completed by May though just saying 😉

Okay. One more time:

I am in favour of restrictions for as long as they tell me they are needed. I appreciate that you have problems with who 'they' are and aren't on board with their advice. That's fine. You do you.

The numbers that dancemom so helpfully posts on here seem pretty reassuring in that they are moving in the correct direction. Given that people are out and about quite freely, visiting each other, socialising in pubs and restaurants, attending weddings, going on staycations, using public transport and increasingly large numbers are disregarding any remaining restrictions completely including ditching the masks and the numbers are still going down seems like a cause for celebration to me.

You seem to have decided that people who supported restrictions want them in place forever. I'm pretty sure we don't. We want them in place until it's appropriate to remove them. On that day I'll be bloody delighted I can assure you. The argument over who decides when it is appropriate and whether those people are correct is a different matter. I have made the decision that yes I do trust the government scientists. You're free not to, of course.

Not everything is black and white @Scottishskifun. I am allowed to support the restrictions and also be excited that they will hopefully end soon. I don't see what the issue with that is.

I trust Tim Spector, Chris Whitty et Al I don't trust Devi no she's out for her own gain and selling books!

Okay. Just as a wee reminder, and I think that this has been pointed out to you several times now, Devi is one part of a team. She's not in charge of the team, she's not allowed a free run, she's not Kim Jong Un. People have focussed their hate and vitriol on her for reasons unknown (although a few reasons could reasonably be surmised).

Chris Whitty (who I love btw) wants restrictions removed to influence the timings of waves. He hasn't ruled out bringing restrictions back in winter and he has outlined situations in which he would advise wearing a mask that look suspiciously like the situations we are asked to wear a mask now. He's hardly an advocate for total freedom is he?

Scottishskifun your response to me is ridiculous. Carry on with whatever it is you're doing but I don't have any inclination to.

@forfucksakenett

Okay. Just as a wee reminder, and I think that this has been pointed out to you several times now, Devi is one part of a team. She's not in charge of the team, she's not allowed a free run, she's not Kim Jong Un. People have focussed their hate and vitriol on her for reasons unknown (although a few reasons could reasonably be surmised).

Chris Whitty (who I love btw) wants restrictions removed to influence the timings of waves. He hasn't ruled out bringing restrictions back in winter and he has outlined situations in which he would advise wearing a mask that look suspiciously like the situations we are asked to wear a mask now. He's hardly an advocate for total freedom is he?

I dislike her for her incorrect statements around children and vaccinations, elimination strategy which she didn't stop banging on about for a very long time despite many scientists stating it was unfeasible and the continued references of controlling it like measles (which is impossible and many scientists also said not possible). Well aware that its a panel, also well aware that they seem to ignore some of the scientists within it in favour of their own strategy.

Chris Whitty has said personal choice but would recommend, scotland have said mandatory and still placed in law so yes I have a issue with it still being in law. I do not have any issue with anybodies choice to wear a mask in a situation where they so wish.

NS has also made a number of digs at restriction easing and therefore moving the wave whereas to many people it seems sensible (including many scientists such Tim Spector of the Zoe app) to avoid autumn pressures. SG however instead makes digs and put our restriction ending (which we still no pretty much zero about BTW with a week to go) to before schools return and thus going into September for potential rises.

BTW attending a wedding in Scotland is still very different still have to remain seated, no dancing other than the couple and the parents and your not supposed to move around not exactly the wedding experience many expect oh and if you wish to marry outdoors not at a venue then your only allowed 15 people.... Outside.

Actually I was at a wedding a couple of days ago and what you've said isn't true.

I dislike her for her incorrect statements around children and vaccinations, elimination strategy which she didn't stop banging on about for a very long time despite many scientists stating it was unfeasible and the continued references of controlling it like measles (which is impossible and many scientists also said not possible). Well aware that its a panel, also well aware that they seem to ignore some of the scientists within it in favour of their own strategy.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was and is an evolving situation. Pretty sure both Spector and Whitty have made some monumental errors over the course of this too. What panel would ever fully agree on anything. Decisions need to be made.

Chris Whitty has said personal choice but would recommend, scotland have said mandatory and still placed in law so yes I have a issue with it still being in law. I do not have any issue with anybodies choice to wear a mask in a situation where they so wish.

Okay so you admire and trust Whitty's advice but just not enough to actually take his advice or to expect the government to take his advice. Despite the fact that that's his literal job. To use your phrase, 'gotcha'

NS has also made a number of digs at restriction easing and therefore moving the wave whereas to many people it seems sensible (including many scientists such Tim Spector of the Zoe app) to avoid autumn pressures. SG however instead makes digs and put our restriction ending (which we still no pretty much zero about BTW with a week to go) to before schools return and thus going into September for potential rises.

It's understandable that there is anxiety about restrictions ending. What you see as digs, I and many others look at as caution.

BTW attending a wedding in Scotland is still very different still have to remain seated, no dancing other than the couple and the parents and your not supposed to move around not exactly the wedding experience many expect oh and if you wish to marry outdoors not at a venue then your only allowed 15 people.... Outside.

Random but okay thanks for that. Not sure of your point here tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️

@StarryEyeSurprise

Actually I was at a wedding a couple of days ago and what you've said isn't true.

Then they must have been breaking the rules because ski is correct:

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-weddings-civil-partnerships-receptions-celebrations/pages/receptions-and-other-celebrations/

@StarryEyeSurprise

Actually I was at a wedding a couple of days ago and what you've said isn't true.

The venue was breaking the wedding guidance if that's the case. From the SG wedding guidelines....

Level 0 (9 August - subject to conditions being met)
When we move beyond level 0 and out of the level system, almost all COVID-19 restrictions, including physical distancing, will be removed for businesses and individuals.

This will mean that you will be able to dance, sing and mingle at indoor weddings from this time.

My DH is best man at a wedding in a few weeks he also does covid response as a EHO. Feel free to check out the SG guidelines.

Nowhere is following the guidance. I was at a kids party in a well known venue recently. No social distancing, no mask, no shits given.

Wedding venues will be the same I'm sure.

Numbers are still coming down despite all of this so we are surely on our way out of this.

@forfucksakenett not really gotcha - I can no longer wear a mask due to breathlessness issues. I have no problem with people doing so I have a problem with it being stated in law.

The wedding comment was because you stated that cases were coming down with people going to pubs and attending weddings. I was pointed out that actually what a wedding is currently (if the venue is sticking with the guidelines) is very different to what most people would think of at a wedding.