Scunnered .... *insert tier pun

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New thread, couldn't think of a title 🙈

@SoMuchForSummerLove you should be a politician 😃

The point is though that the strategy has led to our worst rates now. It’s a bugger.

I’m going to drink some wine and prepare for historic victory tonight

Well I do have a Politics degree haha!

Perfect! 😃

The argument that it's better to have our cases now rather than earlier on because people are more protected by vaccination falls down on a couple of key points. Firstly it only considers direct COVID harm and fails to recognise the wider harms to society, education, physical and mental health caused by harsher restrictions for longer. We stand to have another uncertain summer with little respite before perhaps heading into a difficult winter (flu is expected to run riot this year as everyone has lower immunity, plus COVID is seasonal). It's a lot to ask people to bear when they have already had tougher restrictions. Secondly of course, it ignores the fact that it's actually been very clear for many months both that vaccines work to derisk COVID and that maximum suppression is a fantasy outside of the SG echo chamber, but the SG clung to this for far longer than they needed to or should have. There's also the fact that excess deaths aren't that different either way without even considering the longer term harms of poorer health and missed diagnoses etc.so you could argue it was for nothing.

@itsjustlowhangingfruit

I work in higher education.

I still have no idea how a return to work will look come September.

Will all students (and staff) be able to return?

Will we all have masks?

Will DD have to wear masks in August in school?

My FTC ends in November. I don't see a point in returning before then to be honest.

As usual, I expect higher education will be bottom of the list for SG plans... DHs department is planning for 1m, (and was before today) and has worked out timetables and so on based on that. Mostly face to face groups, big lectures online, options of online groups for anyone stuck in a country that can't travel, or has to isolate. Big vaccination drive beforehand. He's really trying to avoid what they are calling "hybrid" teaching, which is the same class, some in person and some online, which sounds awful. Not sure what they're doing about masks... I think when they did face to face earlier this year it was masks in corridors but not when seated, but they had 2m distancing in rooms then.

@SoMuchForSummerLove

Our P7 class isolating due to a positive case.

They'll all be missing their class trip tomorrow.

Fuck sake

Aw crap. What a nightmare somuch. I agree, it does seem much more downbeat that a few weeks ago, even though theoretically we should be on the up. We're just holding our breath we avoid isolation when all areas around us seem to have really high rates. We're a little oasis of orange among the black and red at the moment... Just til Friday please!

@WouldBeGood

Thanks *@ResilienceWanker*. They can shove any guidance up their SNP sporrans.

Well, yes. I think as soon as anything is honestly guidance, and not enforced by stealth on businesses etc to be allowed to open, we all know how that will go.

@SoMuchForSummerLove

Well - the thing is, it's possible now to not aim for mass suppression, whereas it really wasn't while so much of the older population was still unvaccinated. Of course the strategy changes in response to the changing situation. I don't really see it as backtracking, more just evolving in the face of changing data.

😂 Except the strategy and table was released in February in a 94 page document...... When vaccinations had already begun and care homes had been completed!

Of course it's back tracking as up until May they were still bleating on about it even when asked directly by journalists!

😂 Maybe you should apply for a job with the SNP press office with that kind of spin on it!

@SoMuchForSummerLove that makes complete sense. I don't think you're following the point she's making @Scottishskifun do maybe your laughing faces are a tad premature?

I am also completely scunnered today. Over it all!

Bloody Bauld was back preaching doom this afternoon, going on about case numbers even when the ultra cautious scot gov are placing more importance on ICU and hospital admissions.

Hope you're ok forfucksakenett. Nearly the holidays.❤

Yes @summerlove , your posts are always an oasis of reality on here.

Yes @Scottishskifun but Feb was before we had a lot of real world data on how vaccination impacted transmission etc.

It's obviously all too easy to criticise them but on this point I don't see how they could have changed course with at least having a semblance of how it would pan out first.

@StarryEyeSurprise and @forfucksakenett you are both teachers I think? And @ResilienceWanker maybe?

Hope you all get through the last few days. I so want my son not to miss football camp next week 🤞🤞🤞

We've no holidays booked so it's football camp or absolutely fuck all for seven weeks.

No, I'm not a teacher (I'd be the shittest teacher in the world, so I'm totally in awe at those who manage it!) But we have a (4 day) holiday booked leaving on Sunday... And hadn't factored the running of the isolation gauntlet into our plans.

[quote SoMuchForSummerLove]**@StarryEyeSurprise* and @forfucksakenett you are both teachers I think? And @ResilienceWanker* maybe?

Hope you all get through the last few days. I so want my son not to miss football camp next week 🤞🤞🤞

We've no holidays booked so it's football camp or absolutely fuck all for seven weeks.[/quote]
Thank you. Had one sent home today and awaiting a covid test so fingers crossed it's negative! We're going to my parents at the end of the week and staying over for the first time since covid hit.

Oh, I hope he gets to go! 🤞🤞🤞

I agree there may have been a slight change in circumstances - but it's been obvious for a while that jagging was largely protecting the vulnerable. They've just decided a point at which "the vulnerable" stop (under 40, apparently) and have drawn their line there, rightly or wrongly and have decided that once they are double jagged we're "safe".

To be fair, if zero covid was still the aim, there's no way the central belt wouldn't have gone back up to tier 3 or 4 when cases started rising, or at least a couple of weeks ago. Yet apart from Glasgow being kept in tier 3 and then the central belt in tier 2, they've been surprisingly relaxed about the huge case rises since May. Which is a change in opinion, I suppose - albeit they probably recognise that the restrictions aren't actually doing much long term compared to all the other harms. And as you all say, the lower antibodies/ higher cases than in the rest of the UK doesn't seem to have been tempered by increased restrictions. So once the vulnerable are double jagged, there can be more flexibility - albeit not a free for all.

I still think they're a bit twitchy about it though - hence proposing continued restrictions even beyond tier 0, for example, rather than putting their all into eg long covid clinics and building up NHS capacity.

It's a pita but it is understandable. Things have spiralled out of control so quickly in the past that you can understand them feeling the need to be cautious.

Well i've just pissed myself off totally. DH was asking if he's able to just go to the pub with DS for a pint and I've not really been paying too much attention so went on to check. I've now realised that the areas that went down to level one, while Stirling stayed on 2 just because it was slightly over 50, are now much higher than we are and are still on 1 and although we've gone up (to about 70ish), we are still well on the bottom half of the table.

So even though i think it's all gobshite, it's back top being completely unfair gobshite again.

Still don't know if they can go for a pint or not either.

@ElephantOfRisk

Well i've just pissed myself off totally. DH was asking if he's able to just go to the pub with DS for a pint and I've not really been paying too much attention so went on to check. I've now realised that the areas that went down to level one, while Stirling stayed on 2 just because it was slightly over 50, are now much higher than we are and are still on 1 and although we've gone up (to about 70ish), we are still well on the bottom half of the table.

So even though i think it's all gobshite, it's back top being completely unfair gobshite again.

Still don't know if they can go for a pint or not either.

I'm sure you can go for a pint anywhere in Scotland. Happy to be corrected if wrong!

You definitely can in Dundee and that's Level 2 as well. Two hour slots I think?

Or maybe it's totally unfair that some people were under higher restrictions than other places for almost a year through absolutely no fault of their own, while keeping to every arbitrary rule. Glasgow was held at level 3 while everyone else moved down and have now been overtaken by a number of authorities, and yet no one else has been subject to such tight restrictions. So, yes, I get unfair.

Meant to be going England to see my mum (who I haven't seen for two years), and won't be able to go as DD has to isolate. I'm so utterly fed up.

@Haudyourwheesht

Or maybe it's totally unfair that some people were under higher restrictions than other places for almost a year through absolutely no fault of their own, while keeping to every arbitrary rule. Glasgow was held at level 3 while everyone else moved down and have now been overtaken by a number of authorities, and yet no one else has been subject to such tight restrictions. So, yes, I get unfair.

I don't think Stirling was treated much better tbh. I don't think we were quite as long but only a few weeks in it. It's all totally ridiculous and I feel so sorry for the folk of Glasgow.

Thanks for the info on drinks as well. The last time we were out here we must have been level 3 as we couldn't drink indoors at all.

I think he was hoping to just wander along to the local for a pint or two since we are off and DS1 needs to be getting out his bedroom.

elephant yes, that is particularly annoying. Though even in tier 2 you can meet in groups of up to 6 from 3 households inside (8 from 8 households outside I think) - so the pint is ON.

wankmaster oh no. That is several levels of shit. I'm really sorry. Can you put it back a couple of weeks and go later in the summer? Have to say, your name sums up a LOT of my feelings at the moment.