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dancemom · 22/06/2021 15:50

New thread, couldn't think of a title 🙈

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ElephantOfRisk · 22/06/2021 21:52

Thanks Resilience, wasn't too worried about the groups thing as we are one household but all the info was about groups and numbers and I couldn't find the bit on alcohol and whether it can be consumed inside. Was in the lakes last week and no issues with indoor drinking but haven't been out here for a while (well an indoor meal at the chippy but they don't serve booze anyway)

Scottishskifun · 22/06/2021 21:54

@SoMuchForSummerLove

Yes *@Scottishskifun* but Feb was before we had a lot of real world data on how vaccination impacted transmission etc.

It's obviously all too easy to criticise them but on this point I don't see how they could have changed course with at least having a semblance of how it would pan out first.

And May when they were still stating that was their aim? Plenty of data then!

I'm not critising it now I've critised it from the beginning as a strategy as it was obvious to many that it wouldn't work! It's way to transmissible and mutates too fast.

Yet we still got the podium speeches about it being the most effective approach.....

So yes it's still a back track it was clear to many (including leading scientists BTW) that it was never going to work and never going to be able to treat outbreaks like measles!

So that's months wasted causing god knows how many backlogs perusing something completely unachievable!

Oh and still no long covid clinics (unless you're a lucky Edinburgh resident where they have ignored SG!)

WouldBeGood · 22/06/2021 21:56

Alcohol fine indoors, and no rule that you have to book @ElephantOfRisk.

Another brave but unsuccessful football performance 🥲 Great crowd though. We do support things well 😂

WouldBeGood · 22/06/2021 21:57

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ResilienceWanker · 22/06/2021 21:58

Ah, sorry! Wrong end of the stick! They close at 10.30 though, I think, so you'll have to be quick. You're right that tier 3 was no indoor booze at all in case we all lost control.

ElephantOfRisk · 22/06/2021 22:00

Excellent @WouldBeGood, it's a biggish pub/restaurant and it would be a midweek afternoon so thinking a casual turning up will be fine. If it doesn't go to plan I can drop them into town (and pick them up) where they have a choice of venues - i'll leave them to do a bit of male bonding! Grin. I think DS might be sick of the sight of me but he's far too polite to say so.

ElephantOfRisk · 22/06/2021 22:01

No worries Resilience - I often don't make sense nowadays - heid's busted... Grin

ElephantOfRisk · 22/06/2021 22:02

DH is usually in bed before 10pm so I don't think that will be an issue either.

WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead · 22/06/2021 22:17

Resiliencewanker, I'm sure we'll salvage something, but my mum lives abroad and is flying back on Monday, so that's that for now 😭

WouldBeGood · 22/06/2021 22:20

I’d just go tbh @WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead

ElephantOfRisk · 22/06/2021 22:24

@WouldBeGood

I’d just go tbh *@WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead*
I agree. Is your mum happy to meet with you regardless? If so, I'd just go.
WouldBeGood · 22/06/2021 22:25

In the absence of symptoms or risk factors

WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead · 22/06/2021 22:27

She's fully vaccinated and keen to see us. Ugh... I'm shit at breaking rules though. I always get caught!

WouldBeGood · 22/06/2021 22:28

Well, I’m that case Id definitely do it. Life’s too short

Helensburghmiddleagedmum · 22/06/2021 23:19

Has anyone heard of people testing positive after 2 doses of az vaccine. Guy at my husband's work is really ill with covid in his 50s had 2 doses, coughing til he vomits, weak and exhausted, can barely get out of bed to go to the toilet, I wondered how common this is, have heard of a few people who have got covid despite being vaccinated

WouldBeGood · 23/06/2021 05:47

It’s not common at all but it’s possible.

Vaccines not 100%. Like any vaccine. But i think I read 95% effective in stopping serious illness /hospitalisation

dancemom · 23/06/2021 06:12

Agree, not common but possible particularly if caught before the second vaccine has time to take effect so to speak

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Haudyourwheesht · 23/06/2021 06:23

@Helensburghmiddleagedmum

Has anyone heard of people testing positive after 2 doses of az vaccine. Guy at my husband's work is really ill with covid in his 50s had 2 doses, coughing til he vomits, weak and exhausted, can barely get out of bed to go to the toilet, I wondered how common this is, have heard of a few people who have got covid despite being vaccinated
A friend from school tested positive despite having had two doses. She had to isolate from work but wasn't ill with it.
runningpink · 23/06/2021 06:33

I would also still go if your mum is happy to meet. @WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead

You could do a test before you go for a bit of reassurance?

titsintiers · 23/06/2021 06:49

I would go too @WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead life is too short to not see your mum for this long. I really wish I'd stuck two fingers up to the rules and seen my own dad before he passed away a few months ago.

Bytheloch · 23/06/2021 07:38

@WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead

Meant to be going England to see my mum (who I haven't seen for two years), and won't be able to go as DD has to isolate. I'm so utterly fed up.
DD has to isolate? Isolate from a contact of a contact or because DD had a positive test? Take tests and if negative, work out your own plan. You haven’t seen your mum for two years and she’s heading away abroad again next week? Please go! The isolation rules are nuts- you know grown ups can return to covid-safe premises if they’ve had a negative test? But not the school children🤷‍♀️ I’m so done that if my DC was asked to isolate this week due to a contact of a contact and hadn’t recorded a positive result I certainly would not be cancelling our planned trip (also to England to see relatives).

Thank you also to footballers who’ve set the new standards for isolation. Negative tests should mean no, not isolate anyway so your entire school class is off.

latissimusdorsi · 23/06/2021 07:39

I haven't heard of anyone @Helensburghmiddleagedmum but obviously possible as vaccines not 100% effective. Hope he feels better soon.
Iwonder how far past 2nd dose he was when caught it? DH had 2nd AZ recently and was told 3 weeks before max immunity

Bytheloch · 23/06/2021 07:52

@WankmasterBastardDeLaShithead

She's fully vaccinated and keen to see us. Ugh... I'm shit at breaking rules though. I always get caught!
If you mean caught travelling to England...literally nothing to worry about there.

Test and Protect won’t be turning up at your door either. Also, no obligation to answer any calls re that if it was advised through a school set up (the bubble has broken once school finished, isolating now you have a big tick next to your name, job done).

Please go see your mum and enjoy every minute of it (said by someone who can no longer just visit either parentSad ).

Come join the other thread Enough is Enough if you need any support www.mumsnet.com/Talk/scotsnet/4274671-Scotland-Enough-is-enough

RedactedTaeFeck · 23/06/2021 07:54

As well as the not 100% effective, there is also the possibility that the positive test is incorrect or picking up from his vaccine and he is actually ill with something else?

Hope he feels better soon.

ResilienceWanker · 23/06/2021 08:52

wankmaster given the situation, and that you can't really see her another time easily, and that it's not your DD that is positive, I actually agree with the others that you should go. And, like you, I'm very law-abiding and scared of getting caught! If it had been your DD that was positive, I'd hold off though.

I didn't realise T&T didn't follow up on contacts... I had visions of people turning up at our house to check and us not being there, and them putting out nationwide police check things, like interpol! as has happened to a friend of a friend of everyone on MN Or just posting us a whopping fine. But really, if they do that for a random, non-infected child, I'm not holding that there's no resources for them to investigate burglaries and whatever! And what's to prove we weren't just asleep, or in the back garden and didn't hear? They're not going to be doing a stakeout ffs.

helensburgh hope he feels better soon. That sounds grim. I think it's rare as the others have said, but presumably not impossible. The vaccines are "designed" to prevent hospitalisation and death I'd understood, so although lesser versions can be horrible, they aren't ruled out (though even those are less common with the vaccine) . Bloody unlucky, though.

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