Scotland- Enough is enough

[Bytheloch]

Starting this thread for those of us who are done. I don’t want to just rail or fight about it with those who still believe that government messaging is in our best interest. Enough is enough.

So she shouldn't criticise them public ally then @Whycangirlsbesonasty ?

Publicly

I suppose you are entitled to think that NS is a racist but really if you're going to make such serious accusations about folk you should really have some evidence. 🤔

Not for this thread.
Plenty of evidence, the pp doesn’t need to provide that on here. Speaking of evidence, I see the police are investigating the missing money. Why don’t you pop back over to that thread to defend your beloved not anglophobic at all St Nic? You know this is not the thread for anyone who agrees with what she’s announced today.

@Bytheloch the thread is what it is. It goes where the conversation goes

And I think a police investigation is a very good idea for what it's worth.

Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Is she anti English - who knows! Does she deliberately stoke hatred in many of her supporters- yes I believe she does.

I don't really like throwing names about! It shuts down discussion to quickly although her followers are super at that!
As i said its my opinion.

BtW what did you think of the front page of the National on Fri / Sat whatever day it was?

@forfucksakenett

And I think a police investigation is a very good idea for what it's worth.

So go play over there then. 🙄

I think it was ridiculous and embarrassing.

@Whycangirlsbesonasty

She publicly criticises the UK government in the hope that it tarnishes the UK as a whole in the minds / subconscious of Scots.

If the decisions Boris makes are reckless she has every right to and quite frankly, they are! I am glad and also relieved she is taking things slowly. Boris and his crew are complete fuckwits.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

I get irrationally angry when listening to NS, and I think the patronising tone is exactly why (plus the not so subtle digs at the 'reckless' UK govt to deflect from our COVID capital status). She is going to mandate masks because, apparently, "If government believes measures like this matter, and this government does, we should say so. We should do what is necessary to ensure compliance and we should be prepared to take any resulting flack from those who disagree. We shouldn't lift important restrictions to make our lives easier and then expect the public to take responsibility for doing the right thing anyway." Or maybe, you could treat us like the adults we are who somehow managed to muddle through life making reasonable decisions without being micromanaged before this all kicked off? Perhaps give us the respect to be able to risk assess a crowded train carriage vs an empty supermarket for ourselves?

Yes, I agree with all this! Especially recognising the difference between somewhere where a mask could be useful/ considerate, and somewhere where it really isn't (outdoors on an empty rural train platform, for example...). And I really wish she didn't go with the "face coverings are a small price to pay... " guff. For some people that is true. For others, they're a medium price, or a huge great big price to pay. Not to mention the abuse that is dished out to exempt people from people who think they know better. It just seems so trite for her to say "I know best, and you all like them really, and if you don't, they're good for you and other people".

Honestly if I didn't have to pay for the damage to my TV then I would have lobbed something at it today. Had to be on for DH work.

So angry that she used long covid yet again and said even the experts don't know......
You know what could help experts.... Setting up long covid clinics with them seeing the high number of long covid patients rather than getting your data from where a very small study of 100 or so people run by university hospitals?!

She says one thing then refuses to do anything fucking about it! £2 million in research is peanuts for all her digs at the UK govt they have spent £100 million so far helping people with long covid. Here we get...... Nothing!

Agree fed up with her digs at the UK govt too.

@Scottishskifun

Honestly if I didn't have to pay for the damage to my TV then I would have lobbed something at it today. Had to be on for DH work.

So angry that she used long covid yet again and said even the experts don't know......
You know what could help experts.... Setting up long covid clinics with them seeing the high number of long covid patients rather than getting your data from where a very small study of 100 or so people run by university hospitals?!

She says one thing then refuses to do anything fucking about it! £2 million in research is peanuts for all her digs at the UK govt they have spent £100 million so far helping people with long covid. Here we get...... Nothing!

Agree fed up with her digs at the UK govt too.

Is it not that the GPs are supposed to be dealing with long covid? You've said before that your GP is useless but I don't think we can generalise that they all are. What would a long covid clinic do that a GP can't do? Genuinely asking.

I think to be honest I'd rather that they tried to prevent us all getting long covid rather than attempt to deal with it after but, y'know, enough is enough and all that.

@Bytheloch but I wanted to discuss this. I'll go over there if and when I want to discuss that thanks very much.

I listened to the remarks on long COVID and thought of you @Scottishskifun. She does have some brass neck on her. What I am struggling to understand, and not for the first time in the pandemic, is why we have to do our own research on this before taking any action. Surely it would have been possible to have just linked into a UK-wide network of long COVID clinics, which as we know already exists in England and has done for a considerable length of time, and share in the experience and expertise there. Why do we have to always have a completely different way of doing things, which is just reinventing the wheel and usually takes longer to get going? It's madness!

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

I listened to the remarks on long COVID and thought of you *@Scottishskifun*. She does have some brass neck on her. What I am struggling to understand, and not for the first time in the pandemic, is why we have to do our own research on this before taking any action. Surely it would have been possible to have just linked into a UK-wide network of long COVID clinics, which as we know already exists in England and has done for a considerable length of time, and share in the experience and expertise there. Why do we have to always have a completely different way of doing things, which is just reinventing the wheel and usually takes longer to get going? It's madness!

Surely inventing long covid clinics would take longer and be the reinvention of the wheel whereas arming our GPs with the knowledge and skills would be easier?

I think covid clinics sound good but I would like to know what they do that a GP can't.

Fuck me. 10 days south of the border, driving around, commercial radio, no crappy government messaging. Back north and within 5 minutes bombarded with the new "Have fun, but don't be thinking we're going to let you have too much fun, you manky superspreader" message.

And to top it all off, Queen Nicola's playing top trumps on who can keep masks the longest with Drakeford and Boris.

FUCK OFF NICOLA WE'RE DONE WITH IT.

What did she say about masks? I’m starting to fear she will never stop them.

Is there limits to indoor exercise classes numbers still?

Sorry but I couldnt listen or I would throw something at the tv.

@forfucksakenett GPs can't deal with long covid they don't have the time, resources or expertise to do so. My GP even said this as have many others (including in Scottish Parliament to NS).

GPs in Scotland can only refer to other existing services like respiratory, neurology or cardiology all of which have very long wait times.
The long covid clinics in England (the hospital led ones) have a range of services including specialist physios, cardiologists, will undertake ecgs, have physiatrists, fatigue specialists and offer a variety of different workshop types to improve symptoms such as breathing exercises. My GP can do none of the above in a 10 min slot once a month. Some of the long covid clinics have also been trialing different medications to help suffers includong antihistamines and a range of other drugs to help alliviate symptoms.
My GP can prescribe zero of these as none of them have been proven or information hasn't been provided to give GPs the option to do so. I have presented the data to my GP in requests but her hands are tied.
Research is showing this is highly likely to be a autoimmune disease.

By the way about a fifth of long covid sufferers have undiagnosed organ damage which long covid clinics run tests for.

So in answer to your question if it's a hospital led long covid clinic then they can do a lot way more than a GP from diagnostics, support set up to help manage the condition to drug options.

"Surely inventing long covid clinics would take longer and be the reinvention of the wheel whereas arming our GPs with the knowledge and skills would be easier?

I think covid clinics sound good but I would like to know what they do that a GP can't."

What I'm arguing is that we use the existing model and link into that, including the research and experience they have already gained in the UK. Doing our own 'research' before taking some as yet unspecified form of action is just duplicating effort (and obviously leaving all the people who already have long COVID in a difficult position). Quite apart from the fact GPs don't have the time or expertise to deal with complex cases, the long COVID clinics bring together expertise in various disciplines in one place, which allows patients with multiple issues to have them assessed at once, and is more efficient for knowledge sharing etc.

Interesting @Scottishskifun it does sound very necessary then tbh. Hopefully sense will be seen soon.

@Wakeupin2022

Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Is she anti English - who knows! Does she deliberately stoke hatred in many of her supporters- yes I believe she does.

I don't really like throwing names about! It shuts down discussion to quickly although her followers are super at that!
As i said its my opinion.

BtW what did you think of the front page of the National on Fri / Sat whatever day it was?

Did she condemn the bigots on the border last summer with their "go back to England" banners?

Did she buggery.

I won't be wearing a mask regardless.

@forfucksakenett

Interesting *@Scottishskifun* it does sound very necessary then tbh. Hopefully sense will be seen soon.

It is and there shouldn't be a two tiered level in Scotland for sufferers those who can afford the supplements and seek a range of private treatments and those who can't.

Sadly though that is the current situation as your so desperate to try and improve or reduce the pain that those of us who can afford things do.
I currently spend £400 a month on different treatments nothing gets rid of it but it does reduce my pain levels especially in my legs and my breathing has improved massively. I shouldn't have to spend that amount just to partially function as a 35 year old and be able to get out of bed each day but this is the situation sufferers are in especially in Scotland and Wales too.

@Pootle40

I won't be wearing a mask regardless.

Good for you. Enough is enough. Spread your droplets freely and sod anyone else. Take back your liberty!

@Scottishskifun yes makes complete sense. It sounds horrific. I see that there is a lobby group. They shouldn't have to do it, especially when they are dealing with illness, but I hope that they have some success soon.