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Nicola Sturgeon

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Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:09

@Newstepchild

Why would any country not want self determination?
We had a vote not that long ago for Scotland to determine it's future and it was decided that the majority felt that it benefited us to stay in the union. That is self determination.
Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 22:09

@Graffitiqueen i can complain about tone if i want! I care about other people, even those on the internet, and I don’t think a horrible tone is necessary or helpful

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:10

[quote Newstepchild]@Graffitiqueen i can complain about tone if i want! I care about other people, even those on the internet, and I don’t think a horrible tone is necessary or helpful[/quote]
Feel free to complain. And I'll feel free to ignore your complaint. And continue to run rings round you.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 22:12

@Graffitiqueen ha ha, hardly!

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:13

[quote Newstepchild]@Graffitiqueen ha ha, hardly![/quote]
Answer the questions then. Until that happens I'll assume you have nothing.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 22:14

I have. You haven’t answered mine.

reprehensibleme · 12/05/2021 22:15

Newstepchild, I think it sometimes sounds as if those not clamouring for independence are being negative because we're mostly fine with Scotland as it is and worry that an independent Scotland will be a worse place to live.

Independence supporters, to me, never seem to acknowledge that anything could go wrong. In my personal life I look at the pros and cons, weigh up all eventualities, take into account all the information available then make a decision. It's difficult to make a decision without all relevant information - yes, sometimes you have to make a leap of faith, but I won't do that if the status quo is a good place to be.

I also find it difficult to trust the SNP 'facts' and promises about independence when they have stuffed up so much of the day job.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:17

@Newstepchild

I have. You haven’t answered mine.
What does Scotland do well. Do you really think that's a hard question to answer? Engineering, shipbuilding, whisky, salmon. We have an amazing heritage. M Now answer mine.
WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 22:17

We have self determination as we are part of the Uk

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:19

@Newstepchild

I have. You haven’t answered mine.
You haven't answered this:

Why if Scotland is doing so well with renewables is independence necessary to make future progress?

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:20

@Newstepchild

I have. You haven’t answered mine.
Another you haven't answered.

97% seems pretty good without independence wouldn't you say? Why is independence necessary to get to 100% if we've done so well without it?

Scottishskifun · 12/05/2021 22:20

[quote Newstepchild]@Scottishskifun but its coming, and money will be made in the long term. More importantly we are addressing climate change and the figures improve year on year. It’s very much a Scottish success story. We’ll attract energy demanding industries in the future as the imperative to decarbonise increases in the next few years.[/quote]
At the moment and even long term until the high cost side of renewable energy is based in Scotland then its pretty unlikely to actually generate high revenue. Its very hard to compete against the Chinese market as well.
Companies which had the potential to switch to more renewable construction have gone bust unfortunately.

CCS is a Scottish possibility but doesn't make masses of money.

Unfortunately Scotland can't compete with other global places for high energy production it's true across the UK which has a big shift away from this and the steel industry is pretty much collapsed as well.

It's not to have a go just to give some realities of where its at revenue wise and I have a energy background.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:21

@Newstepchild

I have. You haven’t answered mine.
Another that hasnt been answered.

I want to know the specifics of what you think independence will change in the development of renewables that can't be done without it. You made a sweeping assertion. Can you back it up?

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:22

@Newstepchild

I have. You haven’t answered mine.
And this. Can you answer?

What happens if the Scottish population never votes for independence? Does that potential never get reached ever?

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 22:24

@Newstepchild

I have. You haven’t answered mine.
And another. "We have fantastic natural resources that we could utilise better if independent."

What's stopping them being utilised now? What specifically would being independent change?

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 12/05/2021 22:28

@Newstepchild

Why would any country not want self determination?
I'm perfectly happy with the level of self-determination we already have thanks. We already have control over the vast majority of things that matter day to day including health, education, justice etc. etc., and the Scottish government could use these extensive powers to make a real difference, if they chose to. That they don't, and the fact that they mess up pretty much every big project they touch, is on them. At the same time we have the benefits of being in the UK, not least the economic power than comes with such a large economy, and a substantial safety net when the shit hits the fan. We have been using this safety net for the last few years as we get back more from Westminster than we have managed to raise. Plus, I quite like being able to live/work anywhere in the UK without having to worry about passports, changing currency, different regulatory or societal systems etc.
Selkiesarereal · 12/05/2021 22:49

Just finished watching the news in which they were discussing the closure of mcvities with one interviewee asked, “what is the industrial strategy?” And I thought indeed what is it?

As for why some of us sound pissed off with all of this, well I personally love m country and devastated that independence means a move south because of the job situation. Doesn’t give a warm fuzzy feeling.

WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 23:19

I see they are also suggesting abolishing tax relief on pensions.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 23:36

@WouldBeGood

I see they are also suggesting abolishing tax relief on pensions.
It's worse than that!!

www.thenational.scot/news/19295590.can-make-pension-funds-benefit-independent-scotland/

Mojoj · 12/05/2021 23:41

@Iwouldratherbesailing Byeeeeee!!

MintyMabel · 12/05/2021 23:44

I have no idea whether Scotland could support itself, it depends on how the figures are presented. The argument that other small nations do is compelling but our geographic and political environment is unique so it’s hard to compare. But even if we could end up doing as well as we do now, it would be a long, hard road for some pretty minimal gains (if any). People seem to sorely underestimate just how disruptive it would be and how long it will take to reset and recover. Nicola said last time, we could set up a whole new infrastructure in 18 months. 6 years ago they gained the powers for 11 benefits. All of these still aren’t being delivered in Scotland. DLA for kids, a relatively small number to serve, has been delayed yet again. 4 years and counting since they said we’d have it.

She needs to be honest with people what the short to mid-term price is going to be for this split which only serves a principle, and who will suffer because of it. If people still vote for it knowing that, then so be it. Selling it based on unicorns and fairy dust is going to ruin a whole lot of people’s lives for no significant benefit.

Movisoul · 13/05/2021 01:05

I don't agree that Brexit is a material change to allow a rerun referendum. I was against Brexit by the way. However, people voted to stay in the UK in 2014. So the UK overall decision to leave the EU was thereby what Scotland ended up with. Being independent won't solve Brexit. It's just an SNP excuse for another go at it.

Torvean · 13/05/2021 02:39

I was trying to discuss the election with a SNP voter. She ended up quite aggressive. Told me I couldn't support women's rights as I support the union, and that's ran by a man. Apparently all ppl against SNP are obsessed with NS. The self-ID issue is of no priority. I couldn't really be Scottish if after the pandemic I didn't vote Covid etc etc

I asked her enquire Qs. She couldn't answer one. I ended up telling her to watch her tone.

The year NS got in she promised to abolish council tax.... not done. I'll try to attach a picture showing different scenarios and possible debt.

Nicola Sturgeon
Quincie · 13/05/2021 03:06

I asked further up what industries we had - in a tongue in cheek way suggested salmon and whisky and what do you know it actually is salmon and whisky Scotland has many industries and exports www.gov.scot/news/scotlands-exports-continue-to-increase/
With environmental issues over salmon farming and a risk of a tax by other whisky producers that is the dodgiest industrial base ever.

Halloweenrainbow · 13/05/2021 04:21

Too soon. They asked us and the majority said 'no thanks'. I wouldn't have an issue if they waited a generation or 15/20 years and asked again though.