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Nicola Sturgeon

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Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 20:01

@doorornottodoor no 😂😂 just don’t like wind farms all over the beautiful south west

Quincie · 12/05/2021 20:09

Many people who want independence don't care what the economics of it is. They just want independence.
The standard of living is pretty bad now where I live - poor schools, bad roads, no jobs, drug problem. And this is after 14 years of SNP - they can't produce a successful country now why should that change with indpendence.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 20:09

@Graffitiqueen Don’t you? Are you not interested in climate change? Or how Scotland is addressing it? In 2020 97% of our electricity was produced using renewables, that’s an amazing achievement.

I don’t think any country can achieve it’s potential without the ability to vote in it’s own, full, government.

WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 20:11

@Quincie

Many people who want independence don't care what the economics of it is. They just want independence. The standard of living is pretty bad now where I live - poor schools, bad roads, no jobs, drug problem. And this is after 14 years of SNP - they can't produce a successful country now why should that change with indpendence.
Yes.

I’d be much more like to vote for it if they were doing well.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 20:16

[quote Newstepchild]@Graffitiqueen Don’t you? Are you not interested in climate change? Or how Scotland is addressing it? In 2020 97% of our electricity was produced using renewables, that’s an amazing achievement.

I don’t think any country can achieve it’s potential without the ability to vote in it’s own, full, government.[/quote]
I want to know the specifics of what you think independence will change in the development of renewables that can't be done without it. You made a sweeping assertion. Can you back it up?

I'm volunteering at the cop26 summit so quite happy with my interest in climate change thanks.

Quincie · 12/05/2021 20:29

Scottish authorities are hoping that renewable energy sources can meet 50 percent of the country's energy demands across electricity, heat and transport by 2030. The country has a lot of work to do to be able to reach that goal, however, especially when it comes to transportation and heating.

I thought it sounded too good to be true but it means we are producing almost all the electricity we need but that excludes gas central heating so there is a looooooong way to go - how muhc of the country will be covered in turbines before that happens - a heck of a lot of it.

Quincie · 12/05/2021 20:30

That's in response to the 97% electricity comment

Calyx72 · 12/05/2021 21:01

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

So, we have secret riches that Westminster knows about but the SG doesn't, but Westminster is hiding them from us, is that it? And us getting more back from the UK than we put in just now (and for a few years now) because our fiscal position is weaker is just part of the deception to hide our riches from us I suppose?
Sarcasm and snark from the usual suspects. Great discussion. Pile-on with folk sniggering about 'secret riches' which no-one mentioned except yourselves. A few of the unionists here are really nasty.

The point was that exact income/outgoings for Scotland are not revealed. In the past that has been on purpose in case Scotland realised it could do better if independent. Nowadays we just can't argue that we would do better because people keep asking for exact figures. Which are kept from us. I wonder why?

Scotland has many industries and exports www.gov.scot/news/scotlands-exports-continue-to-increase/

Scottishskifun · 12/05/2021 21:02

@Newstepchild

What?! Why so snarky and horrible? I’m stating one of our obvious advantages. We can’t rely on oil but we’re currently doing brilliantly on renewables and have the potential for huge growth in the area. We have fantastic natural resources that we could utilise better if independent.
Yes we have wind farms and the wind but most of the money made with wind farms is in the design, manufacture and also R&D into optimising which isn't done in Scotland.

Orkney wave and tidal research is still in infancy and again the design and construction isn't based in Scotland.

Until someone develops a battery system which doesn't take up 6 football pitches to store the energy generated by wind, solar etc then its never going to be a big money maker just making it. It has to be used straight away hence its not an easy export commodity.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 21:03

[quote Newstepchild]@Graffitiqueen Don’t you? Are you not interested in climate change? Or how Scotland is addressing it? In 2020 97% of our electricity was produced using renewables, that’s an amazing achievement.

I don’t think any country can achieve it’s potential without the ability to vote in it’s own, full, government.[/quote]
If the 97% is true then that is an amazing achievement. All done without independence. So again what difference would independence make?

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 12/05/2021 21:04

The point was that exact income/outgoings for Scotland are not revealed.

Not revealed to the Scottish Government? Sorry, but this just doesn't sound credible. And Westminster isn't some kind of bond villain concealing our true potential to keep us chain up in a dungeon. Andrew Wilson managed to find all the information he needed for the Growth Commission report didn't he?

Scottishskifun · 12/05/2021 21:06

Yeah be careful with "renewables" electricity generation figures...... It includes biomass so burning little wooden pellets which have been shipped from Canada and the US which comes with air emissions!

People hear renewable sources and only imagine wind and solar its not the case.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 21:23

The figures are true, google it? Ive said what a difference independence would make. Yes we need better battery power bit the technology is coming. At the moment power is mainly generated from wind power on and off shore and hydro but other areas such as wave power are being developed. There’s incredible potential in the Pentland firth.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 21:26

@Scottishskifun it’s a developing area and we are doing brilliantly

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 21:27

@Newstepchild

The figures are true, google it? Ive said what a difference independence would make. Yes we need better battery power bit the technology is coming. At the moment power is mainly generated from wind power on and off shore and hydro but other areas such as wave power are being developed. There’s incredible potential in the Pentland firth.
No you haven't said what difference independence would make to renewables. You said something irrelevant about countries not reaching their full potential without independence but there's no link to your original assertion about renewables.

97% seems pretty good without independence wouldn't you say? Why is independence necessary to get to 100% if we've done so well without it?

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 21:28

[quote Newstepchild]@Scottishskifun it’s a developing area and we are doing brilliantly[/quote]
If we're doing brilliantly without independence I don't get why you think independence is necessary?

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 21:28

Is there anything you unionists like about Scotland or think we do well?

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 21:28

Why fix what isn't broken?

Scottishskifun · 12/05/2021 21:28

@Newstepchild

The figures are true, google it? Ive said what a difference independence would make. Yes we need better battery power bit the technology is coming. At the moment power is mainly generated from wind power on and off shore and hydro but other areas such as wave power are being developed. There’s incredible potential in the Pentland firth.
I don't dispute the figures just warning that renewable sources also includes biomass within it which is the burning of little wooden pellets! Many people think renewable sources is solely wind or solar its not there are multiple different ones including biomass. Because its from trees which are replanted its classified as renewable.
Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 21:29

It wasn’t irrelevant at all.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 21:29

@Newstepchild

Is there anything you unionists like about Scotland or think we do well?
Well clearly we're doing well on renewables which is amazing. Just not sure why it's a justification for independence as you stated?
Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 21:30

@Newstepchild

It wasn’t irrelevant at all.
Well explain it then.
WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 21:30

I’m not a unionist.

I’m just not a leap into the great unknown cos bad WM, oil, trident etc

reprehensibleme · 12/05/2021 21:31

There is a certain disingenuousness talking about Scotland's exports when over 60% are exported to the rest of the UK.

To me it's the same as the argument against Brexit - 43% of UK exports were to the EU pre Brexit, making the EU our major customer. Likewise, RUK is Scotland's major customer, and at a far larger %, so does independence endanger our largest export market in the same way it is claimed Brexit damaged the UK export market?

Scottishskifun · 12/05/2021 21:32

Sewage sludge digestion and biomass do make up a section of Scotlands renewable energy sources neither of which come without their own emissions issues.