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Nicola Sturgeon

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Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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StarryEyeSurprise · 12/05/2021 18:50

And I'm sure that no one is basing their decision on a post on an internet chat forum.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 18:52

@StarryEyeSurprise

And I'm sure that no one is basing their decision on a post on an internet chat forum.
Well if they are I would say it's fairly clear which side has the better understanding of economics.
forfucksakenett · 12/05/2021 18:54

@WouldBeGood

I think this thread has been really helpful.

I now know that some people just really want independence, and that there’s no actual plan for it beyond that.

Saves me trying to understand more.

Cheers

What utter rot.

I'm starting to question the intelligence of people who think that randoms on MN should have full financial details when a current context financial analysis has not yet been done. It will be done as part of the referendum campaign and I look forward to hearing from a local of experts as we did last time.

No it actually isn't a question of intelligence. It's just goadyness with a wee bit of bitterness at the way the election went I would imagine. Sad really.

WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 18:57

A current context analysis has been done. See above.

*although of course it doesn’t take into account the secret money

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 18:59

We have fantastic alternative energy on Scotland and the potential to do a lot more in this area.

StarryEyeSurprise · 12/05/2021 19:01

Yes @Graffitiqueen. I'm sure you can become a member of the CISI because you can write 'fiscal transfer'. Absolute genius. Adam Smith has nothing on you.

WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 19:02

@Newstepchild

We have fantastic alternative energy on Scotland and the potential to do a lot more in this area.
Whilst basing revenue on oil??
Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 19:03

@StarryEyeSurprise

Yes *@Graffitiqueen*. I'm sure you can become a member of the CISI because you can write 'fiscal transfer'. Absolute genius. Adam Smith has nothing on you.
How do you know I'm not?
StarryEyeSurprise · 12/05/2021 19:07

The phrase , 'The emptiest vessels make the loudest noise' springs to mind.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 19:09

@StarryEyeSurprise

The phrase , 'The emptiest vessels make the loudest noise' springs to mind.
Ha ha ha ha! Right back atcha!
Dissimilitude · 12/05/2021 19:11

The problem is that the current political equilibrium is not stable.

I am against independence, though not implacably so, but we simply can't continue to have constant constitutional uncertainty hang over us like this.

The only way forward at this point is to agree to another referendum, but on the condition that we completely formalise the process of subsequent referendums. We can't do this forever. The country is split down the middle.

One more referendum to clear the decks post-Brexit. But the condition of holding it should be the establishment of a very clear set of rules over when the next one can be held. And those rules cannot be "every time there's a pro-Indy majority in the Scottish parliament.

doorornottodoor · 12/05/2021 19:13

Just really sad now. So proud to be Scottish but British too. Scared for my kids’ future with this blinkered independence at any cost attitude. And I suppose all the “you’re not a true Scot” comments will start up again. Sad I am passionately Scottish but believe we’re stronger and better as part of the uk. ❤️ The figures don’t add up.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 19:17

What?! Why so snarky and horrible? I’m stating one of our obvious advantages. We can’t rely on oil but we’re currently doing brilliantly on renewables and have the potential for huge growth in the area. We have fantastic natural resources that we could utilise better if independent.

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 19:18

That is to @WouldBeGood btw, my quote function doesn’t seem to be working.

Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 19:21

@Newstepchild

What?! Why so snarky and horrible? I’m stating one of our obvious advantages. We can’t rely on oil but we’re currently doing brilliantly on renewables and have the potential for huge growth in the area. We have fantastic natural resources that we could utilise better if independent.
What's stopping them being utilised now? What specifically would being independent change?
WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 19:22

It’s really not snarky and horrible ti question the funding of my country’s future and that of my children

reprehensibleme · 12/05/2021 19:28

Newstepchild, I'm always slightly concerned about the 'potential' - there has been absolutely nothing stopping Scotland realising this potential NOW. Why wait until independence? Surely it would be so much better to show people who are wavering or against independence what we can do, to encourage them to think that indepence is viable?

On a side note, I work in tourism and hospitality in the south of Scotland and the number of walkers/cyclists who have commented on how the landscape is being spoiled by excessive wind farms is growing - if you're no a walker and you don't get up into the hills, I don't think you would realise just how the landscape is being taken over by wind farms. There isn't a vista in the hills round us without at least a couple of wind farms dominating the skyline. I suppose they're necessary, and they're definitely not as ugly as pylons, but the wild landscape changes with evidence of human activity - it is a shame. Maybe we could line the whole of the M8 with turbines? Grin

ElephantOfRisk · 12/05/2021 19:30

We keep getting told that Brexit was a material change and that this is the reason that another referendum is required. And yet, vote share for the SNP is broadly the same and polls on independence are broadly the same, they've been higher sometimes but rarely over 50% and current polls show less support but i guess they will continue to go up and down. Now I know polls are polls yadda yadda etc. but maybe it seems that the electorate in general aren't really that bothered about Brexit?

WouldBeGood · 12/05/2021 19:30

@reprehensibleme

Newstepchild, I'm always slightly concerned about the 'potential' - there has been absolutely nothing stopping Scotland realising this potential NOW. Why wait until independence? Surely it would be so much better to show people who are wavering or against independence what we can do, to encourage them to think that indepence is viable?

On a side note, I work in tourism and hospitality in the south of Scotland and the number of walkers/cyclists who have commented on how the landscape is being spoiled by excessive wind farms is growing - if you're no a walker and you don't get up into the hills, I don't think you would realise just how the landscape is being taken over by wind farms. There isn't a vista in the hills round us without at least a couple of wind farms dominating the skyline. I suppose they're necessary, and they're definitely not as ugly as pylons, but the wild landscape changes with evidence of human activity - it is a shame. Maybe we could line the whole of the M8 with turbines? Grin

Or Arthur’s Seat?
ElephantOfRisk · 12/05/2021 19:36

@reprehensibleme

Newstepchild, I'm always slightly concerned about the 'potential' - there has been absolutely nothing stopping Scotland realising this potential NOW. Why wait until independence? Surely it would be so much better to show people who are wavering or against independence what we can do, to encourage them to think that indepence is viable?

On a side note, I work in tourism and hospitality in the south of Scotland and the number of walkers/cyclists who have commented on how the landscape is being spoiled by excessive wind farms is growing - if you're no a walker and you don't get up into the hills, I don't think you would realise just how the landscape is being taken over by wind farms. There isn't a vista in the hills round us without at least a couple of wind farms dominating the skyline. I suppose they're necessary, and they're definitely not as ugly as pylons, but the wild landscape changes with evidence of human activity - it is a shame. Maybe we could line the whole of the M8 with turbines? Grin

I like that in The Netherlands, the turbines are offshore or sited in industrial areas mainly (as far as I saw but that was at least a decade ago). I also don't know why building regs couldn't have been changed so that new housing schemes were required to have some sort of self generating electricity included depending on the environment. No reason a that a small generating turbine couldn't be included or mini hydro/wave power if suitable access to water etc to at least power street lighting etc Add in Industrial estates/retail parks and other built environments and maybe we could keep our countryside clearer.
Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 19:43

It’s a developing area as you well know @Graffitiqueen

doorornottodoor · 12/05/2021 19:45

@WouldBeGood are you Glaswegian? Grin

Newstepchild · 12/05/2021 19:45

@WouldBeGood

It’s really not snarky and horrible ti question the funding of my country’s future and that of my children
But you replying to and asking me?! Snarky and horrible.
Graffitiqueen · 12/05/2021 19:46

@Newstepchild

It’s a developing area as you well know *@Graffitiqueen*
Do I?

What happens if the Scottish population never votes for independence? Does that potential never get reached ever?

reprehensibleme · 12/05/2021 19:55

Interesting how the SNP are going to TELL us how wonderful and viable an independent Scotland is going to be rather than take the opportunity to SHOW us now.

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