Feel depressed about the future

[Hobnob39]

The election results have made me feel really bluuuuerrgh.
I HATED the divisiveness of indyref1, I don't want another referendum. I want our government to do a better day job, but independence is going to be the focus until it happens now isn't it? I don't want independence for the same reasons I didn't want Brexit - I feel we shouldn't be dividing ourselves off into ever smaller parochial wee groups who all think we are somehow better than everyone else. It's enough to make me want to move... my DH is English and he wants to, but I have resisted, but it's getting harder to explain why. The only problem I have though is that I see the results in England and feel they as bad - I don't understand why people who are shafted by the Tory party are the ones voting for them! I just do know where I belong now. It feels to me that Scotland is stuck with SNP and England stuck with Tory, and I'm adrift as I don't feel either represent me. Anyone else?

Nope, sharing my own experience. You were quick to categorise me based on one contribution. Others had said they hadn't been their experience so I was sharing mine as posters might not have realised that these sorts of incidents occurred.

But if being critical of extreme sectarian groups makes me a part of a "you" they don't sound too dreadful

@forfucksakenett

Jim Murphy. Shouted down every time he stood on his soap box. He did a deal with the Tories and effectively destroyed Scottish Labour.

Not sure how I feel about it tbh. It was extreme heckling and a bit of a poor show.

Not the same as calling an innocent wee lassie a fenian cunt though. Not the same as gathering en masse and doing Nazi salutes in George Square.

The people you are talking about are thugs. Pure and simple. They don't influence anyone. They just make people hate them.

Silencing and intimidating people engaging in public acts of democracy in a democratic country is of a different order all together. It is a deliberate attempt to intimidate ALL those who don't agree with you - not just those you are shouting/ chasing down. It is a deliberate attempt to thwart the democratic process. It is not something I ever expected to see in Britain. It is a disgrace.

And the fact that I have never heard a nationalist even recognise this, let alone condemn it, well, Jesus!

But if being critical of extreme sectarian groups makes me a part of a "you" they don't sound too dreadful smile

My Lord, you haven't understood the conversation at all.

@forfucksakenett

A chainsaw! Genuinely missed that. Are you sure?

The guy was charged.

www.the-gazette.co.uk/news/14570801.man-threatened-labour-councillor-with-chainsaw/

I know several people who play football with Jim Murphy. He cannot walk down the street without abuse.

This is why I’m so upset at the result as all this will be unleashed again but I think it may be worse as views will be more entrenched.

And whatever the outcome the bitterness will remain.

@musingloud Jesus Christ. How many times does this need to be explained to you? These people don't exist in some sort of thug vacuum. They're not a wee peripheral group who nobody takes a notice of.

Many of those involved in shit like this are ordinary people who wouldn't, in their day to day life, be considered thugs.

Yes their behaviour is thuggish but they are ordinary people going about their lives. I think you think that these people hide away in their homes interacting only with each other when that is absolutely not the case.

They are joiners, mechanics, shop workers, you name it they do it. I know one guy who is in the walk and he's a literal pilot!!! They are husbands, fathers and brothers. They e err the same amount of influence over others as other normal citizens and no lots of people don't hate them. Many would have been watching those scenes thinking that that behaviour was aspirational.

It's almost like their behaviour is so extreme you can't quite stomach it to admit they are unionists. It's bizarre.

I have understood perfectly well. But why do you continue to make this about me?

@Selkiesarereal

This is why I’m so upset at the result as all this will be unleashed again but I think it may be worse as views will be more entrenched.

And whatever the outcome the bitterness will remain.

Yes

And instead of discussing actual policies to make people’s lives better, the chat is all immediately on this independence bollocks. 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's not bollocks to all of us. To some of us it's very important.

@Selkiesarereal

This is why I’m so upset at the result as all this will be unleashed again but I think it may be worse as views will be more entrenched.

And whatever the outcome the bitterness will remain.

Agree. I think another referendum will be a terrible thing for Scotland.

Yet people still insist the first one was civic and joyous despite example after example of toxic abusive behaviour from both sides being given.

The recession might chill the calls for independence, when Nicola finds time to look at the spreadsheets, she might have a shock coming her way about the actual practicalities of independence in the next decade or ever in our lifetimes. Scotland like the rest of the world are knee deep in covid debt, that is going to be the priority. Keeping the lights on. The rest is election noise and NS knows it.

ARe you the Messiah OP?

Only you, it seems knows what is best for both countries and what people should be voting (if they weren't so thick).

And OH Dear, there are only numpties in Scotland AND England - what a problem for you, where to go. ..... N Ireland?

This tweet sums up the SNP and finances of Indy

@Lidlfix

I have understood perfectly well. But why do you continue to make this about me?

I don't. I never made it about you. You did. I find it odd actually.

Well it sums up the view on Indy finances according to comedian and writer Matt Forde.

Not sure it sums it up in entirety

@Youarecountingonme

The recession might chill the calls for independence, when Nicola finds time to look at the spreadsheets, she might have a shock coming her way about the actual practicalities of independence in the next decade or ever in our lifetimes. Scotland like the rest of the world are knee deep in covid debt, that is going to be the priority. Keeping the lights on. The rest is election noise and NS knows it.

Well, as part of the UK, we need to pay for the shiny new warheads the PM decided were a priority. And yes, that's despite the fact the chancellor advised we'll enter the worst recession for 300 years. Tory donors and friends and family have made millions and cost the taxpayers billions over the past year. And no, not every country had had the bad luck of having their economy mis managed by such a corrupt government. Going back to the ops earlier post. I have family in Hartlepool. They've joined me on Indy walks and I don't feel I'd be 'leaving them behind' in an Indy Scotland. I saw reaction to the SNP win from a Finnish MP and in German, Danish and French newspapers. I hope that an Indy Scotland would show Tory voters that there is a better option and that using taxes to help others isn't scary or weird .

[quote forfucksakenett]@musingloud Jesus Christ. How many times does this need to be explained to you? These people don't exist in some sort of thug vacuum. They're not a wee peripheral group who nobody takes a notice of.

Many of those involved in shit like this are ordinary people who wouldn't, in their day to day life, be considered thugs.

Yes their behaviour is thuggish but they are ordinary people going about their lives. I think you think that these people hide away in their homes interacting only with each other when that is absolutely not the case.

They are joiners, mechanics, shop workers, you name it they do it. I know one guy who is in the walk and he's a literal pilot!!! They are husbands, fathers and brothers. They e err the same amount of influence over others as other normal citizens and no lots of people don't hate them. Many would have been watching those scenes thinking that that behaviour was aspirational.

It's almost like their behaviour is so extreme you can't quite stomach it to admit they are unionists. It's bizarre. [/quote]
I've never denied any of this and I am not sure why you think I have. I am not sure why you think I think sectarians aren't people with jobs.

My argument is that they have come to this with a pre-existing sectarian identity and politics which is mired in violence and conflict around constitutional issues.

I'm not sure there is any point in continuing to discuss this tbh.

I think that's probably just as well because that's not exactly what you said in your last post. As you say we're not going to get anywhere with it.

@ZaZathecat

At least if Scotland get Independence they'll rejoin the EU. England will just become more and more isolated.

Spain might have something to say about that.

It's by no mean the shoo-in that Sturgeon would have you believe.

@forfucksakenett to you think the SNP really have no idea about finances?

No I absolutely think that they do. I just don't think it's anywhere near as bleak as you would like to believe.

I'll wait for legitimate financial analysis rather than reading tweets from comedians who aren't actually experts (as far as I know).

It is entertaining though. I'll give you that.

Why won’t they tell us then?

They will. What's the point of giving us the figures for right now when they won't be relevant in two or three years time.

I'm not sure what exciting surprises you're expecting financially.

We'll fund ourselves the way all other countries do. We're not weird or unique are we?