Feel depressed about the future

[Hobnob39]

The election results have made me feel really bluuuuerrgh.
I HATED the divisiveness of indyref1, I don't want another referendum. I want our government to do a better day job, but independence is going to be the focus until it happens now isn't it? I don't want independence for the same reasons I didn't want Brexit - I feel we shouldn't be dividing ourselves off into ever smaller parochial wee groups who all think we are somehow better than everyone else. It's enough to make me want to move... my DH is English and he wants to, but I have resisted, but it's getting harder to explain why. The only problem I have though is that I see the results in England and feel they as bad - I don't understand why people who are shafted by the Tory party are the ones voting for them! I just do know where I belong now. It feels to me that Scotland is stuck with SNP and England stuck with Tory, and I'm adrift as I don't feel either represent me. Anyone else?

I have lived in Denmark. There is a reason why it’s a nice place to live. Everyone pays a shit tonne if tax. Harder to get away with in this country with its massive house prices. We have much less disposable income. But if our basic rate of tax was 30% instead of 20% and we still had NIC and council tax and vat was 25% not 20%, that’s the sort of tax we are talking. Still keen? I’d not mind it but it’s never going to be voted in here.

[quote Nyx]@Graffitiqueen As for the standard of living we have now? Worst pension in the developed world? Very aspirational.

The analogy of the mortgage broker doesn't work, I'm afraid. The fact is that we do have industries and resources, and that they are not puny - compared to similar countries we stack up pretty well. Do you disagree with this? [/quote]
As I said of course Scotland could be independent. We would just have to make hard choices.

Again with the simplistic arguments. Have you added comparisons of housing benefit, healthcare costs way to that comparison? You're comparing apples and pears.

@forfucksakenett I am used to it, the same insults and phrases are always trotted out on this board. Very predictable! It is a good job I'm not playing a drinking game

@Iwouldratherbesailing

I have lived in Denmark. There is a reason why it’s a nice place to live. Everyone pays a shit tonne if tax. Harder to get away with in this country with its massive house prices. We have much less disposable income. But if our basic rate of tax was 30% instead of 20% and we still had NIC and council tax and vat was 25% not 20%, that’s the sort of tax we are talking. Still keen? I’d not mind it but it’s never going to be voted in here.

Exactly!! A lot of my family live in Denmark. Completely different setup, they pay shitloads of tax.

Given less than half of the population in Scotland pay taxes...

Nyx get educated! We have the lowest pension in Europe as in a lot of European countries they don’t have separate corporate / work pensions. Work pays into the state system. You have one state pension, not a state pension and a workplace pension. Jeez. This is basic stuff!

@Graffitiqueen That is the point - we would get to make OUR OWN choices. Currently we do that with our own budget and we choose to spend on socially progressive, caring policies. We could quite happily save billions i on Trident and other UK extravagance.

Tell me the numbers @Nyx

@forfucksakenett

Saying to someone that you are embarrassed for them because of what they posted is pretty insulting.

Well she should be embarrassed!!

[quote Nyx]@forfucksakenett I am used to it, the same insults and phrases are always trotted out on this board. Very predictable! It is a good job I'm not playing a drinking game [/quote]
We'd all be pie eyed!

@WouldBeGood

Tell me the numbers *@Nyx*

Jesus wept 🙄

@wouldbegood you tell me what the numbers would be? Why are our industries and taxes not good enough to keep us afloat when every other country can manage with a better pension than us?

The only choice an Indy Scotland would have for at least 20 years is which debtor to pay. Without Barnett you are starting with an automatic 20% cut in budget. They’re are no nice things! At all! 20% cut in pension. 20% cut in benefits. 20 % cut in nhs budget.

And that’s before we even start to factor in the hit we take to trade with England.

@Iwouldratherbesailing You think Barnett is a handout??

Because they don’t have a massive debt which they can’t get cheap loans to pay for Nyx! Got it yet???

@Iwouldratherbesailing

I have lived in Denmark. There is a reason why it’s a nice place to live. Everyone pays a shit tonne if tax. Harder to get away with in this country with its massive house prices. We have much less disposable income. But if our basic rate of tax was 30% instead of 20% and we still had NIC and council tax and vat was 25% not 20%, that’s the sort of tax we are talking. Still keen? I’d not mind it but it’s never going to be voted in here.

This. Exactly this.

I agree with you OP.... found the first independence referendum really hard as it was so divisive and felt surrounded by ‘yes’ voters who were so cult like I didn’t dare say I was voting no.... it will presumably be even worse this time. Also not a Tory so England not appealing either despite having family there. It’s all a mess! Very stressful :(

Oh my god we have got one of those yes voters who actually think Scotland is a net contributor to the UK. I give in. What can you do when faced with this????

I can't believe Labour didn't do better - I had to log off last night as so down about it.

Yes voters who believe Scotland is a net contributor - beats me too, it flies in the face of reasonable evidence so...

I really do fail to see why asking this is so upsetting to you @forfucksakenett

Oh @Iwouldratherbesailing you must stop with your sensible talk and reality checks. You know that’s not allowed. Milk and honey only, please.

funny how the people most unable to conduct themselves on here without getting aggressive, hurling insults and sneerily dismissing others, are the ones always bleating that we should halt our democratic processes because they're far too upsetting for them.

Try reading the opinion of the LSE, the IFS, the FT. They all say the same thing. They are possibly the UKs most respected economic researchers. They agree with GERS that we get £15b a year from the UK more than we pay in.

In fact try reading anything apart from The National.

@happygolurkey

funny how the people most unable to conduct themselves on here without getting aggressive, hurling insults and sneerily dismissing others, are the ones always bleating that we should halt our democratic processes because they're far too upsetting for them.

No insults here. No sirree...

@Nyx you’re preaching for a massive constitutional change without the slightest idea of what it would cost or how it would work.

@Iwouldratherbesailing

Oh my god we have got one of those yes voters who actually think Scotland is a net contributor to the UK. I give in. What can you do when faced with this????

If Scotland does go independent then a lot of people are in for a massive shock.