The End is CerTEIRnly in Sight ...

[dancemom]

New thread, possibly the last?

She’s a fuckwit.

Non evidence based shite that’s ruining lives

But there is no evidence yet?

Excellent post SSD.

Felt the same about Boris and his stupid route map. It won't come to pass, but it'll still be 'Wee Nic' playing psychological warfare up here for admitting to being unable to put dates on things during an uncertain situation.

There should be massive evidence to justify locking people up and stopping people earning a living.

There is evidence that hospitality does not spread the virus. Nor gyms

I cant understand the English and their blind devotion to boris. I know people want a happy ending but ffs this is global.

@WouldBeGood

There should be massive evidence to justify locking people up and stopping people earning a living.

There is evidence that hospitality does not spread the virus. Nor gyms

I have to disagree. Dh went to a pub ONCE last year and caught covid. You couldn't make it up.

I agree lots of the rules seem stupid and contradictory. Im as confused as anyone.

Sick of living my life for the terrified

I know. But not everyone is terrified unjustly. I know it seems unfair.

@WouldBeGood

There should be massive evidence to justify locking people up and stopping people earning a living.

There is evidence that hospitality does not spread the virus. Nor gyms

Agreed

@ssd

I know. But not everyone is terrified unjustly. I know it seems unfair.

But it’s their own terror to cope with. Not mine

ssd There is evidence that the vaccines work against the Indian variants. It's the unvaccinated people in India who are getting it. There has been a low take up of vaccines in India, partly because the extremist disgraceful Indian government sold loads of the vaccine made there to other countries and partly because people don't trust the government so haven't been getting vaccinated.

We still have low rates of infection in the UK. The collateral damage from all the restrictions on the other hand.... I'm sorry but it isn't fair to expect an entire population to suffer in a hopeless attempt to assuage your anxiety. Which I do understand. I was sure I'd be doing everything allowed once I'd had my first vaccination then I read about the SA variant and felt nervous again. I work with school age children, one at a time with strict mitigation rules and feel anxious when I hear of cases in schools, but I still do it because it's better for them than my paltry online offering and it's better for me to have more contact with people too.

I have a friend who has become extremely anxious about getting covid. Yet she didn't used to be anxious about getting flu every winter previously. It's not rational. It's the deliberate effect of the government's campaign , quite possibly Dominic Cummings plan, to frighten us into compliance with the rules after they belatedly abandoned their herd immunity strategy. NS isn't much better with her 'Be vigilant' message. She might as well say , 'Be scared'. She keeps on with her 'The virus hasn't gone away' as if it's a monster hiding under the bed.

Get yourself out and about for some fun and relaxation. Do something to help other people in difficult situations too. That will take your mind of it hopefully.

Read Mac n Chise on Twitter as I and other posters have recommended. She's a scientist specialising in host viral immunity.

Acht. Every time I do a long post I cross with other posters who say the same thing in about a tenth of the words

@ssd SG is aiming for elimination strategy and produced a 90 page document although they haven't said zero covid the level system target they outline in their own document is 0 cases to reach level 0 which still has restrictions.
People can only go off what they produce and currently for SG that's there in black and white.

NS hasn't put a pause on lifting the other restrictions for the rest of the country whilst the scientist work on it so is doing pretty much the same thing with exception of Glasgow and Moray.

Moray numbers aren't linked to the Indian variant and have shown signs of declining but Glasgow has always been high since mass testing and will always be high.

I don't agree with wildfire spread and I know just how horrible a illness it is first hand but lockdowns are only a certain level effective and at an extremely high cost.

There has been more deaths in my LA by suicide in the last 2 months than covid deaths all year and these are only the ones I know of by appeals for missing people on Facebook who then sadly are found.

Government needs to find another way I thought Borris was ambitious but it gave people hope which goes a very long way with peoples MH.
He has also deployed a lot to affected areas and the bookings system in England means quick turn around for second jabs.

We just feel a lot slower, a lot clunkier but will then try to blame England!

Quite patronising, the attitudes on here. I don't think anyone is 'terrified '. Businesses are open in Glasgow. They're really busy and I'm sure will continue to be.
Most of Glasgow has less than 10 cases per pop. With Pollockshields / Govanhill, there's a sector of the population who are hard to reach with testing and vaccinations. People are trying but it's just the way it is.

I'm sure posters on here were saying ' Why didn't she take harsher action on Glasgow' and now it's 'Why is she taking harsher action in regards to Glasgow '.

What shes trying to do is keep hospital admissions down

But have you looked at the numbers? 64 in hospital. 3 of them in ICU.

Back in January there were over 2000 people in hospital, 160 odd in ICU.

We have vaccinated at least with a first dose about 98% of everyone over 55%, 87.5% of vulnerable under 65s, and about 55% of the entire Scottish population including children.

There is NO evidence that this new strain is more deadly, or will result in more admissions.

They need to be throwing everything at vaccinating as many people in hotspots as possible. Clearly their cringeworthy "Ahmmmm rollin up ma sleeve" advert is not hitting the spot.

Businesses are busy because the capacity is reduced and there are very few options. Lots of hospitality businesses will have geared up for next week, I don't think the vast majority should accept 'it's just the way it is' for minor parts of the city. It's just not fair.

@RaspberryCoulis

Of course she has a choice. She could get it through her thick wee head that zero covid is not happening and now that the vulnerable are vaccinated cases don't matterr.

Personally, don't give a shit about variants.

She could have targeted vaccines - said to people in parts of Scotland where cases are low that they'd have to wait another fortnight while all efforts are directed to Glasgow.

But no. Just tell the weegies that they can't go to the pub.

🤣 wtf

It doesn't matter if you give a shit about variants or not. Thankfully.

The irony of you asking NS to get something through 'her thick wee head' 🤔

@WouldBeGood

Sick of living my life for the terrified

It's not for the terrified, it's for the actual good of humanity but of course you know better.

Good of humanity? Ok then.

So far there are no variants of this virus which have proved more deadly. More transmissible yes, but not more deadly. Vaccines are effective against all current variants. There will always be variants there will always be covid and lots of people don't seem to be able to cope with that fact. Variants do not matter if we are constantly tweaking the vaccine and protecting the vulnerable, just in the way we have been doing with flu for decades.

If there is low vaccine uptake in pockets of Glasgow in the way that there has been low uptake in places like Blackburn and Bolton then the Scottish government is failing in its vaccination message. Just seen on the news that the Army is heading into Bolton to help with surge testing and vaccination. In Scotland they're relying on a patronising and cringeworthy TV ad to convince people to step forward, and all communication from the NHS in English.

So yes, she's doing a shite job. Again. She needs to drop the ridiculous "zero Covid" messaging. She needs to throw all efforts at vaccinating Glasgow southside. If that means that people in other areas which have seen no Covid for a fortnight, then I'm good with that.

Stopping people earning money in hospitality jobs is short-sighted, especially when people in Glasgow city who do want to go to the pub or have a glass of wine with a meal can just travel the short distance into Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, West Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire....

Do we even have a health minister at the moment? That Jean woman stepped down didn't she?

@StarryEyeSurprise

Quite patronising, the attitudes on here. I don't think anyone is 'terrified '. Businesses are open in Glasgow. They're really busy and I'm sure will continue to be. Most of Glasgow has less than 10 cases per pop. With Pollockshields / Govanhill, there's a sector of the population who are hard to reach with testing and vaccinations. People are trying but it's just the way it is.

I'm sure posters on here were saying ' Why didn't she take harsher action on Glasgow' and now it's 'Why is she taking harsher action in regards to Glasgow '.

Places aren’t going to be busy next week if they can’t open fully. It’s not acceptable to say “it’s just the way it is” when she’s throwing people’s livelihoods down the toilet at the last minute without a second thought. People will just go to a neighbouring area for leisure this week: no ones going to heed her rule not to travel.

If you'd read my post properly, you'll see 'it's just the way it is' was in relation to the challenges re getting certain demographics to test and take a vaccine.

It's just groundhog day on mn. Before Christmas, we had NS saying it might not be possible to go ahead with meeting up over the holidays yet Boris said it would be fine and people were saying how terrible NS is blah blah blah then he changed his tune and we couldn't meet up. This has continually happened. Throughout the pandemic.

Boris is already making noises about slowing the opening up. Because in the real world controlling variants really does matter according to all the experts.

I can read thanks @StarryEyeSurprise but the demographics of small parts of Glasgow and testing/ vaccination are impacting the whole city and lockdown easing. This isn't a surprise to the FM, it's her constituency and she should have been all over this.

Yes India is a lovely example of what happens when rich countries go for vaccinating their entire adult population before deciding on making any real attempts to protect the world's vulnerable poor.

The daily record is reporting 6 people in Scotland hospitalised with the Indian strain AFTER vaccination.🙈