The End is CerTEIRnly in Sight ...

[dancemom]

New thread, possibly the last?

When they had the scientist on from Cambridge saying she can't believe what Boris said re 'a race between vaccines and the virus' as there's not enough time for the vaccines to work. We're all going to suffer due to his bloody incompetence yet again.

Yes she was very scathing

@StarryEyeSurprise do you mean Indian variant in London ? I think NS said Glasgow is the Indian variant too?

The Indian variant makes up half of the cases in London yet I don't think there's a lockdown/ restrictions on travel. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong! This is what happened at Christmas too.

@WouldBeGood

And shutting the schools was the mistake. Not the opening.

No way. The NHS was almost overwhelmed as it was, that's what his has all been about. They shut have shut a few weeks before Christmas.

@EvilOnion

On a side note I'm intrigued by the idea that Moray has been widely acknowledged as mainland throughout the pandemic yet delivery companies either don't deliver or charge extortionate fees because it was classed as Highlands and Islands 🤨

This boils my blood

I just don't understand why they have "chosen" just Glasgow and Moray though, when they've seen the direction of travel of Glasgow at least since early May and only decided today it would also be tier 3d. If they are concerned about rapid increases in the new variant (which doesn't look to be vaccine resistant, but I accept its early days) why not treat, say East Renfrewshire and Clackmannanshire the same, which have also seen steep rises in the past week and have now popped over the 50 threshold? Are they hoping they'll get the spread under control there? Which is good if they think they can, but how is the new scary variant different there to Glasgow and Moray? How would moving to tier 2 affect the areas differently? And if it's so scary and uncertain, why allow any movement to tier 2 anywhere? It just seems so illogical why they've chosen those two disparate areas just on the basis of their cases currently being above an arbitrary threshold, one rising, one falling, and not others which also fall above the same threshold and are also rising.

I'm not sure of the wisdom of "panicking" over every new variant until its being shown to increase mortality, given its a mutate-y virus, and we're going to have to "live with it". But if they are going to panic, at least panic in a consistent way

I am right in saying the SG put restrictions on people coming into Scotland from anywhere overseas and asked the UK Government to do the same but the UK Government refused and only restricted travel from India late last month?

I think east Ren will join Glasgow in a few days, maybe less.

I'm just over it. So over it. Lockdowns do not work, Glasgow has shown just that.

I know. Even me, scared of everything, who stuck to the rules at first, doesn't now.

'I loathe Sturgeon with a passion.

So due to a spike in her shithole constituency, where her MSPs were encouraging mass gathering, other businesses and people suffer'

It's not a shitehole . I am an HCP in the area. It's multi ethnic and multi cultural and I love it .

She has totally screwed over thousands of jobs in Glasgow's hospitality sector. How dense are these people??

Shes not had much choice

@StarryEyeSurprise it's really difficult as we have debated previously about modelling it's only as good as its inputs and even then its still variable. Also most models tend to be worst case scenario.
The models from January to April for instance for Sage never came to fruition with death rate or hospitalisation.

It's right to model but as those of us who have modelling backgrounds they are dependent on lots of factors and come with so many caviats.

Unfortunately this is here to stay it's highly changeable with mutations whilst I completely understand the fear (as someone who is still recovering from covid!) it needs to find a future balance. Its not going away in the months or years to come.
So it's how we move forward and it does come down to what people are comfortable with. I know many hate that we all want to be told its safe but that's not going to happen.

@captainsandy2

'I loathe Sturgeon with a passion.

So due to a spike in her shithole constituency, where her MSPs were encouraging mass gathering, other businesses and people suffer'

It's not a shitehole . I am an HCP in the area. It's multi ethnic and multi cultural and I love it .

I grew up in the south side. It’s changed a lot and not for the better.

[quote Scottishskifun]@StarryEyeSurprise it's really difficult as we have debated previously about modelling it's only as good as its inputs and even then its still variable. Also most models tend to be worst case scenario.
The models from January to April for instance for Sage never came to fruition with death rate or hospitalisation.

It's right to model but as those of us who have modelling backgrounds they are dependent on lots of factors and come with so many caviats.

Unfortunately this is here to stay it's highly changeable with mutations whilst I completely understand the fear (as someone who is still recovering from covid!) it needs to find a future balance. Its not going away in the months or years to come.
So it's how we move forward and it does come down to what people are comfortable with. I know many hate that we all want to be told its safe but that's not going to happen.[/quote]
I get that modelling is variable but looking at what's happened in the UK - 100,000 poor souls have died. I'm no scientist but there were warnings in the run up to Christmas which were ignored and so, so many people lost their lives in January. I really hope we never see the likes of that again but it seems

that is a possibility. India were doing well with their vaccine programme and look what happened there.

With Glasgow, nearly all neighbourhoods have low cases and just a small amount are very high. I go out to work every day and I can't wait for the vaccine but until then, I'm only really safe (or safer) if community levels are kept low. I know you've had covid and I hope you recover soon.

I don't have family nearby that could help and my husband works away a lot so I just don't know who would look after my son. Waffling on but my point is, I'm glad we're taking the advice of the scientists. It's tough and other people with different circumstances will feel differently and I get that. I don't like it when people act as if the SG are doing this for s*its and giggles and there's no justification for their action. And then, in a few months, it'll be full hospitals and daily deaths again. I really really hope I'm wrong. 🤞

@StarryEyeSurprise yes it's shocking but that's over a 14 month period. Its so difficult as it's counted if on a death certificate rather than the leading cause.
It is no longer over the excess death limit and its horrific for families. There has however been a huge drop in this since mass vaccination hit the over 60s.
We have also got a far better understanding and how to treat the symptoms compared to last year of being clueless.

I fully understand its scary but the economic warnings means that its millions at risk so sooner or later it becomes a population cost/risk analysis as harsh as that sounds!

@starryeyesuprise get yourself on the binlist! You will find a friend/Facebook connection etc honestly our vaccine centre is calling over 40+ a day of no shows!

I’m honestly despairing again tonight. Can’t even think or articulate logically.

Of course she has a choice. She could get it through her thick wee head that zero covid is not happening and now that the vulnerable are vaccinated cases don't matterr.

Personally, don't give a shit about variants.

She could have targeted vaccines - said to people in parts of Scotland where cases are low that they'd have to wait another fortnight while all efforts are directed to Glasgow.

But no. Just tell the weegies that they can't go to the pub.

@RaspberryCoulis it's not just Glasgow, Moray is also stuck in tier 3 so can't go to the pub either!

I am no fan of NS or the SNP but I highly doubt their targeting Glasgow for the sake of it.

@StarryEyeSurprise

that is a possibility. India were doing well with their vaccine programme and look what happened there.

With Glasgow, nearly all neighbourhoods have low cases and just a small amount are very high. I go out to work every day and I can't wait for the vaccine but until then, I'm only really safe (or safer) if community levels are kept low. I know you've had covid and I hope you recover soon.

I don't have family nearby that could help and my husband works away a lot so I just don't know who would look after my son. Waffling on but my point is, I'm glad we're taking the advice of the scientists. It's tough and other people with different circumstances will feel differently and I get that. I don't like it when people act as if the SG are doing this for s*its and giggles and there's no justification for their action. And then, in a few months, it'll be full hospitals and daily deaths again. I really really hope I'm wrong. 🤞

India were not doing that well. Tiny proportion of their population was vaccinated with poor up take.......

I dont get the hatred for NS. She's not aiming for zero covid, ive read that a few times on here and ive never felt shes aiming for zero covid. Youd need to live on the moon for zero covid, any idiot knows that. What shes trying to do is keep hospital admissions down. Theres no proof yet that the new varient is kept at bay by the vaccines. So whilst the scientists are working on it, we cant let further opening ups happen. Its a disaster for the economy but theres no choice. They could have vaccinated Glasgow sooner and i wish they had, but then it might have erupted in say Dundee and people there would be screaming why did you vaccinate Glasgow and leave us. Theres no way to know with this. I think they should have vaccinated Glasgow but i can see theres no crystal ball here.
It all feels like a nightmare. But, i also dont see the surprise. The government didn't close borders soon enough and all sorts of shit has been allowed in. There was no control at airports. I remember reading the news of boris Johnson putting out his roadmap and say it'll all be ok on 21st june to open everything up. I felt the posters in England were over the moon and totally believed him. There were loads of jubilant threads on here at the time. And i couldn't believe they believed him. I wouldn't trust him as far as i could spit. I had a thread on here at the time saying i was worried how the English would take when his promises were found to be crap. And of course i was slaughtered.
This thing isnt going away. And this government is crap. All we can do is look out for ourselves and trust the scientists.