The Tierany of Tiers

[dancemom]

Teirtastic times ahead ....

Well I just had a catch up with my friend who's DH has been doing vaccinations..... He hasn't been doing any for 3 weeks apparently not needed so back to his usual NHS job for now.........

I don't know why people are being stood down but I can feel the anger simmering in me!

My LA is one of the worst so far for vaccinations!

That’s rubbish @Scottishskifun.

I did ask on my local page why our vaccination centre was now shut, and my post was closed down 🤷🏻‍♀️

Vaccinations have been a shit show, nhs couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. Constantly overstaffed, total contrast to almost all other areas.

@Scottishskifun there has been no vaccines to give for the last few of weeks. Same up here, ours reopened on Sunday, but it’s a tiny number they give compared to everywhere else. Plus before that they were only open a few days a week as there was not enough vaccine compared to their vaccination capability.

For once I really hope the SNP canvas my door before the election - I’ve a few things to say. And also all the other parties - why are they not asking decent questions and holding the government to account??

@Ladylunchalot it’s not the NHS who are in charge of the vaccine distribution.

[quote MrsAmaretto]@Ladylunchalot it’s not the NHS who are in charge of the vaccine distribution.[/quote]
I know but the actual scheduling of appointments and staffing the clinics are within their remit and are falling short. Yes there was an issue with a shortage of vaccine supply but not that much.

I see Scotland has the worst 7 day rolling case rate of all the 4 UK nations now. After starting lockdown in a much better position relatively. And we have had tougher restrictions

The thread has moved on, but I'd be surprised if it's actually down to the Rangers thing, I think it's more likely people just aren't complying any more. Not to the extent we were anyway. I've noticed neighbours having family round (indoors), people just aren't as scared any more. Remember at the start they said they were delaying lockdown as if they went too early people would get fatigued? In my area we've been in lockdown or tier 4 (let's be honest, essentially lockdown) for 9 out of the last 12 months. No wonder people are fatigued. I don't think anyone expected it to go on this long.

@Ladylunchalot but the vaccine still isn't in the control of the health boards. We get told how much we are being allocated, it's a different number to what turns up. We have to bid (beg) for more.

It's better than it was when we got 48-72 hours notice, but it's still not good enough.

Same thing happened with the flu vaccine, our programs were delayed by nearly 2 months as we never got the vaccine.

It's so frustrating and means you can't properly organise clinics, cause what's better - short notice or believing what the government says and then cancelling??

We were told in January to plan for 8-8 clinics 7days a week. There's still not the vaccine levels to do it.

So why are the vaccine levelling short here,whilst in England it seems to be surging ahead?

As I say, papers were reporting a stockpile of 800k doses in Scotland and looking at the vaccination levels currently, that could be true.

@ashmts

I see Scotland has the worst 7 day rolling case rate of all the 4 UK nations now. After starting lockdown in a much better position relatively. And we have had tougher restrictions

The thread has moved on, but I'd be surprised if it's actually down to the Rangers thing, I think it's more likely people just aren't complying any more. Not to the extent we were anyway. I've noticed neighbours having family round (indoors), people just aren't as scared any more. Remember at the start they said they were delaying lockdown as if they went too early people would get fatigued? In my area we've been in lockdown or tier 4 (let's be honest, essentially lockdown) for 9 out of the last 12 months. No wonder people are fatigued. I don't think anyone expected it to go on this long.

True. There are plenty of people on here who are proudly announcing openly admitting they're not complying with lockdown any more. It's just a shame that the Scottish government won't in fact say 'a lot of people aren't complying so we'll end lockdown'. Instead they're taking the numbers, which are not going down, as a reason not to end lockdown. So those who aren't complying continue merrily with their lives, while the rest of us remain stuck.

@WaxOnFeckOff I read that too and I believe the papers.
If it wasn't true NS would be bumping her gums about not getting the supplys from WM.
Anything at all to say Scotland would be better going it alone.

@ssd who knows? I don't understand why MSPs aren't asking.

There will be vaccines being kept back for peoples second doses. If I had people due there second dose within the next 3weeks I'd not give people their first dose as there's no guarantee you'll get the vaccine at the right time for the second doses. What happens if we miss the 12 week 2nd dose window? No one knows.

If the big boards have been rostering staff on clinics etc that then are cancelled I can see why staff are getting pissed off and not wanting to sign up for more. My board has been very clear to those of us willing to work extra at the clinics "they are being arranged with 72-48hours notice due to vaccine supply". That message has not changed despite the political message that the supply issues are improving. I know who I trust in this debacle and it's the pharmacy and public health staff organising it on the ground not the MSPs using a global health crises as an election tool.

Why would they stockpile vaccines though, it makes no sense?

Regarding keeping to lockdown - of course there is fatigue and people starting to make their own decisions, but SG not cancelling a football match that is guaranteed to result in huge crowd gatherings seems a bit of a factor as well.

Sorry crosspost @MrsAmaretto . If the stockpile is for second doses, then why don't they start that now as it seems there is capacity?
My DPs for example are scheduled end of March, but one phone call and they'd readily come earlier.

@rookiemere because the Scottish government will not allow 2nd doses to be given outside of a specific window.

So health boards will be holding some back (with a small board like us, possibly a few hundred) but if there is an 800k stockpile that's being held centrally and the SG needs to answer for it.

We have staff who are willing to work etc to get the vaccination done. Staff can not be rostered and therefore patients can not be booked without guaranteed vaccine supply (and that includes 2nd doses) The only organisation with the power to guarantee vaccine supply is the Scottish Government, not the NHS.

That's a good point about second doses there is nothing to say they have to wait 12 weeks. One thing is sure vaccines sitting on shelves is useless.

Re Scotland being highest in the last 7 days. That has to be a combination of being behind with the vaccine program and lockdown fatigue.

6.5 months is a heck of a long time not to have a coffee with your mum or adult kids. Grandchildren are changing so much in that time.

@Lockdownbear there is plenty of SG guidance to say the time frame boards have to wait to give second doses. They are scrutinising the data on the Vaccine Management tool, and if a vaccinator was to enter that they are doing a 36year old, but doesn't select the right category e.g. clinically vulnerable, then the SG queries wtf we were thinking of within a week. This is a micromanaged process like no other.

The level of centralised control is apparently astounding. Even to those of us outwith the central belt who have seen nothing but centralisation in all areas by the SNO.

SNO? SNP :) Even my predictive text can't bare the letters!

Kids back to school this morning, feeling sad actually as mine were not keen to go back. I’m sure they’ll be fine, they are just nervous after being off for so long and one boy who really struggles with anxiety. Just brings home to me how much their lives have been messed up to be honest and feeling crappy 😕

Feeling exactly the same @Icannever one of mine thinks he doesn't want to go back, but will thrive seeing his pals again, the other finds things a bit trickier (has a stammer which gets much worse in school so she gets teased for it).

I wouldn't choose to home school them as I think they both need the socialisation, but Christ, if I could make half of her class of unpleasant little shits disappear...

@UnderHisAye yep I totally get that, my eldest is dyslexic and struggles in class and my youngest has dyspraxia which affects his speech, writing, football skills etc.

I kind of get annoyed at all the it’s so great they are back to school. I know it is great really but it’s also tough and extra tough to go back to something you find hard after such a long gap.
Not sure what my point is I just feel sad 😬

Mine with various issues (under assessment) was desperate to get back. 7.45 can we go now?

Scotland has consistently had the highest new case rate in the UK (certainly higher than England) for a good week now, which I confess surprises me slightly as I thought there'd be an English bounce after their schools returning in full. In the same time frame our vaccination rates have been falling back again, and I notice that the local big vaccination centre (that we drive past on the way to nursery) appeared to be closed for a bit. I do wonder if this centralised micro-managing approach to vaccinations by the Scottish government (and the extraordinary stockpile they are keeping for some reason) is the reason this is a bit slower, and whether this is having a knock on effect on relative COVID case rates. A couple of weeks might not sound like a long time to be behind, but at ~600 cases a day (that are symptomatic enough to get tests) that delay could add up to quite a few cases that could have been prevented with more wide spread vaccination.

That's the Netherlands suspending use of the AZ vaccine too now .... would SG be allowed to do the same?